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Old 07-27-2018, 06:48 PM   #1
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Stoopid Siberia!

Great. Three weeks off work to explore and photograph BC's north coast, and the area is choked with forest fire smoke from as far away as Siberia. Grrrrr!

Oh well, guess I'll be concentrating on close ups, sunrises/sets and moonrises/sets until the air clears.

Small planet...
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Great. Three weeks off work to explore and photograph BC's north coast, and the area is choked with forest fire smoke from as far away as Siberia. Grrrrr!

Oh well, guess I'll be concentrating on close ups, sunrises/sets and moonrises/sets until the air clears.

Small planet...
Who fired up the bbq???

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We went through NYC 2 years ago and wanted to take lots of great photos. They had a severe smog alert and all of our photos are very poor quality as a result.
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In some circumstances, forest fire smoke in B&W images gets mistaken for fog, so not all is lost, but it's frustrating when the mountain scenes will be veiled.
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LOL not sure I do not see the heads on toothpick lol

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Feel your pain. About 14 years ago, I was taking my freshly painted boat to Hatters NC. There was a swamp fire to the west that burned for months. No way to fight it by land or water. So they just let it burn out. The moss ash would get carried way up in the air, travel many miles and then fall to earth....on my boat. Spent hours scrubbing the boat clean. Depending on wind direction, we would breathe the smokey air for days. The things we put up with when trying to make a living.

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You could wait for an easterly wind change. Oh - but then you'd get smoke from the Kamloops fires.
Maybe a southerly; No - Princeton fires.
A northerly? No - fires around the Fairbanks area.

You may have to wait for winter.
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You could wait for an easterly wind change. Oh - but then you'd get smoke from the Kamloops fires.
Maybe a southerly; No - Princeton fires.
A northerly? No - fires around the Fairbanks area.

You may have to wait for winter.
Ouch

Been over 30C all week and supposed to be 35C tomorrow...and this is a temperate rainforest?!!?
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Its been hot all over and likely will get hotter

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Murray it’s forecast to be 92f (reduced from 96) here in Concrete Wa on Monday.
It’s usually about 10 degrees cooler in LaConner where the boat is so we may spend the night there.

Murray is the picture in your intro post of your house?

Stan thanks for the very informative link.
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Murray is the picture in your intro post of your house?
Nope, itís from our back deck, overlooking the hedge, and looking south east at the back yards of houses at the next street over.
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My sympathies.
We too have haze, Howe Sound haze from ,apparently, Burns Bog aburning.

At least we can still see the sun unlike a few years ago. The sun was a dull orange, had to clean the ash from the boat while I repainted the name on the bow.
Forest fires are getting more common and worse. I gulped at the reports out of California.

Hope you get some clear days.
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My sympathies...
Likewise.

First Nations used to burn parts of their territory on a rotating/regular basis which kept 'catastrophic' forest fires to a minimum. As hunter gatherers, it made sense because in seasons following the burn animals would be attracted to the lush new growth, making it easier to hunt.

We should spark that up again.
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But Murray we’re interested in growing trees now.
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But Murray we’re interested in growing trees now.
Forests as crops (single species / all about the same age) are almost sterile compared to a natural forest with its mix of species of all ages.

You’d have to crunch the numbers of lost taxes from timber revenue vs the cost of fighting forest fires combined with lost properties, etc.

For me it’s not about the money, it’s about the preservation of species and balance of ecosystems.
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Can’t have the numbers of people we have now and preserve species and ecosystems.
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Forests as crops (single species / all about the same age) are almost sterile compared to a natural forest with its mix of species of all ages.

Youíd have to crunch the numbers of lost taxes from timber revenue vs the cost of fighting forest fires combined with lost properties, etc.

For me itís not about the money, itís about the preservation of species and balance of ecosystems.
There is a middle way between "natural" (meaning leaving forest on its own) and crop. Something that surprised me here is the way forest is used. Left wild and harvested and the wood quality resulting from this is quite deceptive. Where I come from forest are left natural but also managed in a way that trees can grow but also regenerate and the result is better wood quality and a forest in good health.

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Unfortunately, no one in the US or Canada is willing to pay for selectively-harvested lumber, thus clear-cutting, thus forestry monoculture, thus unhealthy forests. The myth of "sustained yield" forestry was disproved decades ago, but....

Last summer we were all choking on smoke from fires in BC, Washington and Oregon. I took a trip halfway up the east coast of Vancouver Island hoping to get into some clearer air...and it was WORSE over there!
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Current BC forest management is a disgrace. It's time to openly call it what it is - a tree farm. A monoculture is not a forest. Sell long term leases to mange long term farms, rather than short term stumpage sales for clear cutting. There is no incentive to mange anything in the long term.

The situation would be far better off if half the province was leased off as tree farms, and the other half could recover as a real forest. The current path is towards a poorly run tree farm with no one taking responsibility for long term sustainability in production, profits or the ecosystem.

When I return home to BC every 2-3 years, the change is much more obvious to me in comparison to locals who see it incrementally every day.
It almost brings a tear to my eye as a drive or walk through another clearcut with a monoculture of seedlings planted, where not many years ago it was a real forest with hundreds of species of flora.
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