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Old 12-31-2010, 11:32 AM   #1
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Staysails

Inquiry:* does your vessel have a staysail, and if so,*how often do you use it?
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:02 PM   #2
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RE: Staysails

We don't have one, the mast on my boat is basically for holding the radar and stuff. No boom either so we* just prop our dink on the swimplatform. Interesting to hear if others use them.**
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:01 PM   #3
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RE: Staysails

I know of several GB owners who have and use them. They all say they are great for keeping a boat headed into the wind and waves at anchor or on a mooring buoy and reducing yaw and the subsequent rolling movement. But they do nothing the rest of the time. Their effect in damping roll in a beam sea is minimal to none according to them and they no longer use them for that purpose.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:16 PM   #4
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RE: Staysails

I don't own one* either. Mainly because of all the talk in trawlers/trawlering where owners said they didn't do much.
Plus my mast or boat is not rigged for a sail. Too much trouble and expense for a questionable benefit.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:51 PM   #5
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RE: Staysails

When looking for our present boat, we looked at one with a steadying sail. \the owner was so proud of its recent addition to his gear, but we took it as an indication that the boat rolled like a pig, and looked elsewhere.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:57 PM   #6
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RE: Staysails

I agree with Marin.* There about useless underway.* When we were motor sailing, we often raised the main to reduce roll, and it helped, but that was a huge sail compared to the ones on trawlers.** A staysail at anchor, if big enough, can really help keep the boat pointed into the wind.* I've seen one design that had two seperate sails, attached at the head, and spread apart at the stern.* The design should provide additional resistance to sailing around the anchor due to the increased angle of attack on each side.* If we had a mast on our Defever, I'd raise one, but unfortunately we can't ...................Arctic Traveller
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Old 01-01-2011, 04:25 AM   #7
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RE: Staysails

Back during a furlough I was in the outfitting business.

The Adler Barbour guys were having the Bill Garden Vagabond built and imported .

I went on a ride with an owner to demonstrate the AP he had me install, a Wood Freeman , a man of money and taste.

In a 12-14K breeze we first hoisted the fore staysail, the boat could reach at 5+K with ease, and we did figure 8'ts under staysail and AP.

IT took the full main , outer foresail and mizzen too get to 7.5K .

The point is it takes very little to get SL.7 or .8 and an amazingly small sail will do it.
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Old 01-01-2011, 07:12 AM   #8
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RE: Staysails

I am anticipating getting a half knot or so of assistance from the low-aspect staysail jib and main sails under favorable wind conditions.



Still,*she isn't a motorsailer.
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Old 01-01-2011, 09:34 AM   #9
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I have to admit, that's one hell of a boat for the money!
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Old 01-02-2011, 05:05 AM   #10
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RE: Staysails

Looks fine.

IF the sails are not big enough to assist the roll stability , the mast will probably need to come aft for the flopper stoppers.Now is the time for the mast base to be built in.
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:47 PM   #11
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RE: Staysails

In order for a steady sail to be of any use in reducing yaw on a mooring, the sail needs to be way aft. Think of it as adding feathers to the back of an arrow. I saw a lot of these simple rigs on lobsterboats in Maine. The mast and sail are easily removed and stowed.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:14 AM   #12
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I went on a ride with an owner to demonstrate the AP he had me install, a Wood Freeman , a man of money and taste.

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So FF.**What do you really think of the Wood Freeman.

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Old 01-09-2011, 06:40 AM   #13
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"So FF. What do you really think of the Wood Freeman."


LOVE IT , If I were planning on a round the world or Antarticia via Cape Horn summer trip it would be the AP of choice.

It is virtually ALL mechanical , so trouble shooting is simply a good look.

For most coastal folks the new stuff that steers from buoy to buoy would be easier to live with , and a couple off spares could be cycling between the service folks and the next marina.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:58 AM   #14
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Yes I have staysails for my Vessel. When there was light and medium wind, at that time staysails helps on increasing the performance of the sailing speed.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:20 AM   #15
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Haven't used my sails very much as it seems I'm usually going directly windward or downwind (with little apparent wind). Nevertheless, with about ten knots of wind abeam the sails reduce rocking and add about a half knot. The jib (forward sail) adds a lot. Doubt a "handkerchief" sail creates must drive.

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Old 10-24-2012, 07:32 AM   #16
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Must be some swirly winds there on the bay -- looks like your jib is on a starboard tack and your main is on a port tack.

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No, both sails are on the starboard tack, but the foresail is slightly blanketed by the mainsail in the photo.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:23 PM   #18
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We have one but have not used it. I would only use to when anchoring to reduce thw swing the the pull on the anchor is straighter.
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Does anybody just ditch the mast altogether?
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Does anybody just ditch the mast altogether?
You can if you don't need it. We use ours to launch both our dinghies and it's a critical component of our MOB procedure. So it's more than just decoration for us. It can also be a good location for radar, GPS, and satellite antennas and a radar reflector.

But if one doesn't use a mast and boom for anything then functionally there's no reason to keep it. Aesthetically there might be but that's a subjective call.
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