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Old 03-18-2013, 02:35 PM   #21
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Showing a boat to a potential client is never a waste of time for me. If I want to waste some time I can spend it on Trawler Forum!!!
Trawler buyers are like their boats, slow and steady and I have learned to ask what their time frame is, buy now, buy maybe in six months, or six years from now. I will be glad to show boats to a potential client who might not buy until a few years so that I can start a relationship, to possibly become their broker.
So call the listing brokers of these boats and tell them what your plans are. You get to meet a couple of brokers not too far from you and they can learn your likes, dislikes and your needs in a boat. Then they can let you know in the future when a boat comes on the market that might work for you. You get to meet some brokers and learn their style, learn how they interact with you.
Over 80 percent of the people I talk to do not buy a boat within two years. However here in Fort Lauderdale it is a different boat market with buyers coming here from all over the US and other countries. I can tell when someone is just using some time because their airplane does not leave for a few hours, but I meet create a relationship and get a referral for a new client. Yes go look at those boats when you are on vacation.
Very well said!!!
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:59 PM   #22
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The best thing as was said earlier is walk the docks and talk to owners!!! People love to talk about their boats good and bad. Plus they tell you what to watch for in engines and systems on particular boats. Collect a ton of data before committing.
Even better, if you ask most people are willing take you on a tour of there boat so you get to see layouts, electronics and custom features etc. Boaters are generally social people.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:02 PM   #23
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Tom's suggestion to walk docks and talk to the owners of boats that look interesting to you is a good one. MOST owners will be happy to talk your ear off about their boats.

I say "most" because you may encounter an owner who doesn't want to be bothered by a "looky-loo's" questions. I happen to be one of these so when people wander up and start asking about our boat I immediately direct them to the GB dealer at the head of the dock. But most owners will be more than happy to answer your questions and they may even invite you on board to see the inside layout of their boat if they learn you are trying to compare boats with an eventual purchase in mind.

And while I completely agree with the earlier posts about doing things sooner rather than later, be wary about going in just "to talk" to a broker about looking at boats with an eventual purchase in mind. We did that after chartering a GB36 to see if we even liked the whole boating thing. My wife and I made an appointment with the local GB owner to "just explore" the concept of buying our own boat "someday."

Two hours after walking into the office we walked out as the new owners of a GB36. (Contingent on the boat, which was in another state, meeting our requirements, surveying well, and so forth.). We were not talked into buying the boat-- the broker, who today is a good friend-- put no pressure on us at all. We were just presented with an opportunity that we decide was simply too good to pass up. And we haven't once regretted our decision in the 14 years we've owned the boat.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:11 PM   #24
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There are lots of boats to look at if you go to the big "in water" boat shows. Annapolis, MD has one and I believe there are a few in Florida. I suspect there are some on the US West coast as well.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:28 PM   #25
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There are lots of boats to look at if you go to the big "in water" boat shows. Annapolis, MD has one and I believe there are a few in Florida. I suspect there are some on the US West coast as well.
Find the small ones too. Like Morehead City and Oriental. The big ones will leave you overwhelmed thinking you need to be a millionaire to own a brand new boat. The little shows like Oriental are just for used local boats from local brokers. MUCH better way to talk to boater and not sales people.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:29 PM   #26
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be wary about going in just "to talk" to a broker about looking at boats with an eventual purchase in mind. We did that after chartering a GB36 to see if we even liked the whole boating thing. My wife and I made an appointment with the local GB owner to "just explore" the concept of buying our own boat "someday."

Two hours after walking into the office we walked out as the new owners of a GB36.
Holy smokes. You guyz walked in with "someday" and walked out with a boat? That's amazing. I think your friend/broker must have understood something about allowing the customer/friend to come to their own realizations about timing and possibilities.

In 2008, we made a visit from Berlin to Ft. Lauderdale and looked at some powercats. One, a Lagoon 41, had a YW price tag of 499K. The sales rep was absolutely desperate to make something happen, and apparently the owner was too. The priced dropped to under 350K with no negotiation and no expression of interest or desire from either my Admiral or myself. The desperation was so uncomfortable that it scared the bejesus out of us.

Tucker may have a point about patience with the clientele. When I was over at the Krogen Open House a couple weeks ago, one the the Reps told me that the new 48' on display was the first boat of a guy he had been talking with for 10 years.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:37 PM   #27
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It obviously depends on where you plan to keep your vessel and how far you are prepared to motor it or transport it from where you buy it. One person posting to this list and to Trawler Forum seems prepared to bring her boat from the far ends of the earth!! But assuming, for the sake of argument, that Ft. Lauderdale is close enough to fit your criteria, you could arrange with a single broker to spend a day or two and to easily see ten or more suitable boats previously identified from Yachtworld. Other locations might give give a similar opportunity but FL is definitely THE place if it works for you.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:55 PM   #28
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Greetings,
Find yourselves a broker for yourselves (buyer's broker). Someone, such as Yachtbrokerguy, who will be working on YOUR behalf, who realizes how long this process may take and is willing to go the distance with you. Rather than explaining your desires to potentialy dozens of different brokers, an ongoing relationship with ONE broker can ultimately save everybody's time as an astute broker can, most probably, narrow down your search as he/she learns what you're looking for.
START NOW!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:21 PM   #29
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During our recent quest, we had two buyer's brokers, one for BC and one for Washington state, more for their convenience than anything else. It seemed to work well, although when we bought in BC the Washington broker lost out of course.
But a buyer's broker is worth his or her weight in gold if you have a good one. And as mine said, most of the boats he sells are listed by someone else, so the idea of splitting a commission is no big deal.
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We did that after chartering a GB36 to see if we even liked the whole boating thing. My wife and I made an appointment with the local GB owner to "just explore" the concept of buying our own boat "someday."

Two hours after walking into the office we walked out as the new owners of a GB36.
In 1995, my wife and I had a similar experience. We were in San Diego and decided to kill some time by looking at boats. While looking at a 48' Offshore, the listing broker happened to walk by and opened the boat up for our inspection. By midnight, that same day, the seller had accepted our offer. We bought a loaf of French bread, some cheese and a bottle of wine, checked out of our hotel and spent the remainder of the night on the boat.

This is that boat.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:08 PM   #31
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1. Trawlerfest in Baltimore was pretty good
2. Oriental Boat Show April 12 coming up.
3. Whenever that one in Morehead City is (Tom will know)
4. Lots of small in-water local sponsors shows with pre-owned boats $50K to $500K. Most are in the $50K to $125K range.

A few YouTube videos on how to do stuff (fiberglass, engine maintenance, electrical) or a USPS course or two, and you can slowly (real slow - breaking things takes no time at all) proceed through your boat knowing it and fixing its quirks if it needs it. Just be sure to get a good surveyor.
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Morehead City In-Water Boat Show - May 18-19. However, considering the market, the Morehead City show will likely be WAY more bay boats and sport fish. Still, you can talk to people that don't have a sales quota. That said, Oriental is predominately sailboats, with a much higher contingent of trawlers. All used.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:20 PM   #33
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And Skinny Dippin' will be present for both Oriental and Morehead City Boats shows!! Come by and see us if you are there!
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:41 PM   #34
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Pluto,
if you're talking about retiring in a "couple" of years, I think right now is the time to get serious. Boat payments and upgrades are a lot easier to do with an income. We'll be retiring in about two years and made tha decision 5 years ago to get the retirement boat. we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, what we didn't want in a boat and started looking. We were far from novices, had been boating for 40 years, 30 years on our own hull. We started looking, it took about 5 months to find the right boat. It will be paid off by the end of the summer, we have it outfitted the way we want. If we waited until we were on a fixed income we would have had to settle for less.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:53 PM   #35
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We were along those lines as well. I figured it would be a lot more fun to pour money into the boat we own than to save it for the boat we hope to find someday.

The time between now and retirement lets us see the true expenses, plan for the reality of owning a bigger boat and get her appointed in the way we want as we get closer.
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And Skinny Dippin' will be present for both Oriental and Morehead City Boats shows!! Come by and see us if you are there!
We'll try to look you up at the Oriental Boat Show if we can find you!

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Old 03-18-2013, 11:31 PM   #37
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I have met a few brokers that did not tolerate (or really acted irked) me being a first-time buyer that asked them a lot of questions and had trouble making up our mind about what direction we wanted to go with our purchase. Acting like we were wasting their time having them come up with lists of potential boats only for us to ask about a completely different category of boats. One even asked us not to be their customer any longer.

And you wonder why I really despise the industry. This is why.
Tom, are they all that way?
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:08 AM   #38
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if you're talking about retiring in a "couple" of years, I think right now is the time to get serious. Boat payments and upgrades are a lot easier to do with an income. We'll be retiring in about two years and made tha decision 5 years ago to get the retirement boat. we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, what we didn't want in a boat and started looking. We were far from novices, had been boating for 40 years, 30 years on our own hull. We started looking, it took about 5 months to find the right boat. It will be paid off by the end of the summer, we have it outfitted the way we want. If we waited until we were on a fixed income we would have had to settle for less.
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We were along those lines as well. I figured it would be a lot more fun to pour money into the boat we own than to save it for the boat we hope to find someday.

The time between now and retirement lets us see the true expenses, plan for the reality of owning a bigger boat and get her appointed in the way we want as we get closer.
We did the same thing. I was 49 when we bought our current boat, with the idea that it'll be paid off before my 60th birthday.

The repower was also part of that plan. I didn't want mr big bill suprises in my retirement so we got it out of the way when we bought the boat.
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I have only had one big boat and that is the one I have now. When I was first looking, I spoke with a number of brokers, none of which seemed to take me seriously. I was 42, talking about buying a Trawler in the $500K range. I was not exactly sure right away what I wanted, and I am sure I had lots of dumb questions. So, feeling frustrated and maybe a bit intimidated at this point, I decided to search myself. So, buying up magazines, cruising forums, going to the Seattle boat show, Vancouver boat show and the Anacortes Trawlerfest, I narrowed down what I wanted. Then, after a referral and knowing exactly what I wanted, I hand picked a buyers broker to help me make the purchase. I am sure there are lots of great brokers out there, but I did not get a fuzzy feeling from many I interacted with. The broker I ended up using (after about 5 months of searching on my own) was great, but by then I knew what I wanted and really needed limited input by him.

In my business, I never judge a book by the cover. I think some of the brokers I interacted with did that, to their ultimate loss of a nice commission.
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The two boats I've purchased, a pocket cutter and my current trawler, were purchased via mail and internet, sight unseen. Worked out OK both times. And ditto for the dinghy. All new, however.

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