Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-04-2015, 12:46 PM   #1
TF Site Team
 
ksanders's Avatar
 
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: LISAS WAY
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,952
Sometimes big engines are an advantage

We've been out since Tuesday. Had a great time. Played in Prince William Sound which requires a approx 35 NM open ocean crossing between protected areas.

The weather was great in protected waters but has been has been dicy outside, and didn't look great for our planned return trip on Sunday.

Woke up this morning and saw Gale Warning for today and not so fun seas for the next several days.


So, checked the bouys, and saw what appeared to be a small closing window of opportunity to get to our home waters, or be stuck, or go in seas that are not much fun.

Got underway annd cruised at 15-16 knots. Seas started to build towards the end but we made it quite comfortable all in all.

Sometimes big engines are an advantage. Running before the weather is one of those times.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	236
Size:	80.6 KB
ID:	41708  
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Kevin Sanders
Bayliner 4788
Seward, Alaska
www.mvlisasway.com
ksanders is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 04:57 PM   #2
Guru
 
City: gulf coast
Country: pinellas
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,198
Blasphemy!
__________________

bayview is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 05:31 PM   #3
Guru
 
healhustler's Avatar
 
City: Longboat Key, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,178
Yeah....It's those times that the 15 knots or so can really be an asset, and I'd bet there's little regret (if any) about the extra fuel..
__________________
Larry

"I'd rather be happy than dignified".
healhustler is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 07:54 PM   #4
Guru
 
TDunn's Avatar
 
City: Maine Coast
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Tortuga
Vessel Model: Nunes Brothers Raised Deck Cruiser
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 671
A true trawler cruiser would have made the run at 6 knots just for the experience
TDunn is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 08:35 PM   #5
Guru
 
City: Venice Louisiana
Country: United States
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,097
A true trawler is built to take bad weather and rough seas,, gotta be, they cant outrun it
kulas44 is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 09:19 PM   #6
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,707
The word to catch here is "Sometimes" .....

All the rest of the time you're stuck w heavier engines, excessively large shafts and props create drag and frictional losses for the ability to go fast once and awhile.

Give me a more robust craft w a small engine .. like a Willard.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is online now  
Old 07-04-2015, 09:24 PM   #7
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Sometimes big engines are an advantage

Quote:
Originally Posted by manyboats View Post
The word to catch here is "Sometimes" .....

All the rest of the time you're stuck w heavier engines, excessively large shafts and props create drag and frictional losses for the ability to go fast once and awhile.

Give me a more robust craft w a small engine .. like a Willard.

Eric, why would I give you an underpowered Willard? You already have one....
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 09:51 PM   #8
Guru
 
Moonstruck's Avatar
 
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,848
I wouldn't have any idea about that.
__________________
Don on Moonstruck
Sabre 42 Hardtop Express & Blackfin 25 CC
When cruising life is simpler, but on a grander scale (author unknown)
http://moonstruckblog.wordpress.com/
Moonstruck is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 09:59 PM   #9
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,707
Hiding under the chair dosn't become you Don so come on out and defend your friend.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is online now  
Old 07-04-2015, 10:01 PM   #10
Guru
 
Sailor of Fortune's Avatar
 
City: Saint Augustine, Fl.
Country: Port of St Augustine ,FL
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,952
Moonstruck kickin her skirt up at 25kts....cause she can
Sailor of Fortune is online now  
Old 07-04-2015, 10:19 PM   #11
TF Site Team
 
ksanders's Avatar
 
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: LISAS WAY
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,952
Oh Eric...

I could care less about fuel economy. Fuel is not even a consideration in the overall cost of boat ownership.

Now fuel range is...

And with the longest place I can find between fuel sources being Turtle Bay Baja to Cabo at something like 430NM and the second longest place being Yakutat to Cordova Alaska at something like 270NM I think we're in good shape.

Yes, there are times when big engines are not an advantage. Today was not one of them.
__________________
Kevin Sanders
Bayliner 4788
Seward, Alaska
www.mvlisasway.com
ksanders is offline  
Old 07-04-2015, 10:56 PM   #12
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
I am totally with Kevin on this one. While it's nice to have a boat that's tough enough to take whatever the weather and water can throw at it, the reality is that you have to ride in the damn thing while it's getting the crap beat out of it.

Everybody talks about boats that are tough enough to take it, but I never hear anyone say what a jolly hoot it is to ride in the boat while it's "taking it." Ever wonder why the interior of a Nordhavn is so "cut up" with relatively small compartments? (At least the ones I've been on.) It's so when you're slogging your way across the Pacific and the seas get big and nasty and you get thrown across a room, you don't get thrown very far.

Our PNW boat is an 8-knot boat and while it can "take" a reasonable amount, it's not a roughwater boat by any stretch of the imagination. And since it can barely outrun itself, if it's going to be nasty out on the Strait of Georgia, for instance, we simply won't go out there.

That boat notwithstanding, I'm a huge believer in the phrase "there's no such thing as too much power." In boats and in planes.

Unlike our PNW boat, our other cruising boat is, in fact, built to "take it." However...... its top speed is over 40 knots. It's a testiment to the "there's no such thing as too much power" philosophy. While we've not had much experience with it yet, it's fabulous to be able to come back to port well ahead of what's coming weather-wise and so not have the sh!t beat out of us while the boat is "taking it."

Yes, taken by itself, the fuel consumption of this thing would appear to be staggering. But as Kevin correctly says, fast boat or slow, given the overall cost of owning a boat the cost of fuel, while not so low as to be completely ignored, is not a factor in determining whether to own and use a boat or not.
Marin is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 12:24 AM   #13
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,707
And so it goes .... on and on as before.

Oliver,
Willy is actually not underpowered. She can do all that her hull will allow.

And Kevin you're right .. the big engines delivered the winning card .. that day.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is online now  
Old 07-05-2015, 12:31 AM   #14
GFC
Guru
 
GFC's Avatar
 
City: Tri Cities, WA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Beachcomber
Vessel Model: Sea Ray 550 Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,685
I'm with Kevin. The extra fuel I burn by having the weight of large engines, shafts, props, is so minor I don't even consider it. I can cruise at hull speed around 9.5kts, or get up and let the cats purr at 22 kts when I want. Even when I'm just doing it for fun, not to outrun a storm.

__________________
Mike and Tina
Beachcomber 1995 Sea Ray 550 Sedan Bridge
GFC is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 12:38 AM   #15
Guru
 
hollywood8118's Avatar
 
City: Port Townsend Washington
Country: USA
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,482
Kevin, thank god you were not in a "trawler"..
Everybody knows true "trawlers" cannot out run bad weather because of the nets hanging off the back.
A great example of why you have the boat you do.
Grest post
Hollywood
hollywood8118 is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 12:39 AM   #16
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,133
Quote:
Originally Posted by GFC View Post
I'm with Kevin. The extra fuel I burn by having the weight of large engines, shafts, props, is so minor I don't even consider it. I can cruise at hull speed around 9.5kts, or get up and let the cats purr at 22 kts when I want. Even when I'm just doing it for fun, not to outrun a storm.

We just like being able to cruise at 20 knots and it does come in quite handy for us at times in having the need for shorter weather windows. But even if not for that we'd still like having the speed available. It turns a lot of overnight trips into daylight trips and turns two day trips into one day and we prefer more day cruising and less night cruising.

Not one way better than another, just different strokes for different folks.
BandB is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 07:21 AM   #17
FF
Guru
 
FF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,518
"A true trawler is built to take bad weather and rough seas,, gotta be, they cant outrun it."

The 15-50K boat therefore has to plan ALL its cruises with a weather eye and the safe hole locations well planned in advance.

Because the risk of NOT being quick enough to go hide could be the loss of the vessel?

I guess that's what all the fancy electronic toys are for and why so many stay dockside ?
FF is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 08:50 AM   #18
Guru
 
City: gulf coast
Country: pinellas
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,198
In my years of boating I don't recall any boat sinking from not being able to "take it" . So where is the benefit of this idea something marketed as a trawler is better in some mysterious way than something called a cruiser?
bayview is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 11:35 AM   #19
Guru
 
Codger2's Avatar
 
City: San Diego
Country: US
Vessel Name: "Sandpiper"
Vessel Model: 2006 42' Ocean Alexander Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,420
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonstruck View Post
I wouldn't have any idea about that.
Ditto! 😒
__________________
Codger2

My passion for improving my boat(s) exceeds my desire to constantly cruise them.
Codger2 is offline  
Old 07-05-2015, 11:47 AM   #20
Guru
 
City: NC
Country: US
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 636
Quote:
Originally Posted by bayview View Post
In my years of boating I don't recall any boat sinking from not being able to "take it" . So where is the benefit of this idea something marketed as a trawler is better in some mysterious way than something called a cruiser?
Real quick, I can think of five boats that sunk over the last few years because the boat could not take it. Seven, since I just remembered two more.

Later,
Dan
__________________

dannc is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012