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Old 01-28-2014, 02:11 PM   #1
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Some times you need to throw in the towel.

At what point would you have said f@^k it?
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:20 PM   #2
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The act of an experienced professional or a very lucky beginner.
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:26 PM   #3
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It was hard for me to discern his intent, but he wasn't going far with that anchor deployed. Any idea if he was intending to leave the harbor or just reposition at the dock?
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:31 PM   #4
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It is a ferry, he intended to back up to the ramp to unload/load cars and trucks.

Something like this....





The broken lines and deployed anchor (wrong side?) tell me he was not having a great day.

In aviation the saying is a good pilot never gets into a situation that needs extraordinary skill and or luck to survive.
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The anchor is set as a kedge, it keeps the bow where he wants it and limits the aft travel.

They do what they have to do to get the job done.

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It is a ferry, he intended to back up to the ramp to unload/load cars and trucks.

Something like this....

The broken lines and deployed anchor (wrong side?) tell me he was not having a great day.

In aviation the saying is a good pilot never gets into a situation that needs extraordinary skill and or luck to survive.
In that case, the kedge anchor makes sense. Maybe he just needs stronger lines!
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:39 PM   #7
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The anchor is set as a kedge, it keeps the bow where he wants it and limits the aft travel.

They do what they have to do to get the job done.

Not working as intended,

He sails off in the end.
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:44 PM   #8
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Not working as intended ...
Posting at the same time, I was referencing the blue boat. That anchor worked very well at keeping the bow in check

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A good ship handler knows when to limit the risk.
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The act of an experienced professional or a very lucky beginner.
Assuming the gear on the boat was fully functional, including the stbd anchor gear, why would an experienced professional deliberately deploy a port anchor as a starboard kedge?
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Looked to me as if it worked perfectly as intended...like an "experienced pro' as I posted before.....he used the anchor as a pivot to get his stern around against a strong cross wind.

Have to do that myself sometimes with a single screw and trying to get a towline to a beached boat and howling winds....can't say I would try it with that sized boat and with the wind blowing me into the harbor...but it worked as he wanted it to so my guess he's done it many times in many gradually increasing levels of difficulty.

I would think in that part of the world, med mooring is something you get good at out of necessity and pretty darn quick.
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:51 PM   #11
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Assuming the gear on the boat was fully functional, including the stbd anchor gear, why would an experienced professional deliberately deploy a port anchor as a starboard kedge?
I would do the same ... he is levering the bow against the chain and keeping the scope low so his swing is tighter...
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Old 01-28-2014, 03:22 PM   #12
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Sorry my bad I was miss-reading the term "kedge" I always thought a kedge was deployed out and away from a vessel to be pulled on.

kedge

[kej] Show IPA Nautical .
verb (used with object), kedged, kedg·ing. 1. to warp or pull (a ship) along by hauling on the cable of an anchor carried out from the ship and dropped.


verb (used without object), kedged, kedg·ing. 2. (of a ship) to move by being kedged.


noun 3. Also called kedge anchor. a small anchor used in kedging.


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I would do the same ... he is levering the bow against the chain and keeping the scope low so his swing is tighter...
That's it, it places the pivot on the centerline and as far forward as possible to increase the lever. If the stbd anchor was used he would have had far less control.

A sign of a a competent seaman.
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That's it, it places the pivot on the centerline and as far forward as possible to increase the lever. If the stbd anchor was used he would have had far less control.

A sign of a a competent seaman.
The med mooring of the ferry pretty much says it all. Though this was a more complicated procedure, the ferry told me that it was par for the course.
Especially watching the few vehicles and people scurry on and off, in the time it would take a wash state ferry to raise the people barrier!
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That's it, it places the pivot on the centerline and as far forward as possible to increase the lever. If the stbd anchor was used he would have had far less control.

A sign of a a competent seaman.
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Despite the apparent failure to dock, the crew looked to be competent. Look how close the ship was maneuvered to the landing without smashing. Perhaps the setting of the anchor wasn't satisfactory so multiple attempts were tried. The routine procedure was hampered by foul conditions.

I'm not looking forward to my first Mediterranean-style docking.
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A man needs to know his own limitations! Apparently some can and do....and those that can't, return to the dock. Both "competent seamen".
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Wonder what type of anchor it was?
Eric?
Seemed to have high holding power.
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Wonder what type of anchor it was? Eric? Seemed to have high holding power.
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Despite the apparent failure to dock, the crew looked to be competent. Look how close the ship was maneuvered to the landing without smashing. Perhaps the setting of the anchor wasn't satisfactory so multiple attempts were tried. The routine procedure was hampered by foul conditions.

I'm not looking forward to my first Mediterranean-style docking.
The video I watched looked to be done just about perfect with the exception the 1st attempt didn't have enough chain out...after the adjustment things went well in my eyes considering the conditions.

Competent seaman get the job done with minimal risk even though conditions are severe...

Beginners with sound judgment make the wise decision to cancel before they get in over their heads.

Anyone that exceeds their limitations and causes a major accident no matter what level of experience is not within any desired goal.
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