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Old 09-28-2016, 05:51 AM   #21
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... A bit like $100 barrel oil would never ever ever drop below that price. Lol.
I well remember when FF was saying a few years ago that oil could well drop from +$100 to below $50. He was literally laughed off TF.

So what are the price drivers for panels? Labor, materials, capital recovery and necessary % profit. Other than inflation, my guess is panels will emulate the battery pricing regime of the last century - dirt cheap.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:21 AM   #22
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"Because the power corporations don't want to promote something that doesn't help their bottom line."

SELLING power is the business , where the power comes from doesn't matter .

Every sale "helps the bottom line".

That's only part of the business. The power corporations both sell AND make the power. And they want to control both aspects. The delivery (paying for the wires, towers and transformers) is now a separate part of the power bill.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:43 AM   #23
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I well remember when FF was saying a few years ago that oil could well drop from +$100 to below $50. He was literally laughed off TF.

So what are the price drivers for panels? Labor, materials, capital recovery and necessary % profit
. Other than inflation, my guess is panels will emulate the battery pricing regime of the last century - dirt cheap.
That's why the German manufacturers are spitting teeth, and want tariffs on Chinese imports; I remember reading an article where they estimated that there was a 50% subsidy , which is illigal under European rules.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:48 AM   #24
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This is the latest battery breakthrough ; not more capacity, but infinite recharge capability...

New gel coating makes rechargeable nanowire batteries last forever | Tech | Geek.com

No more battery swops after 5 years on E cars costing $$$.
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Old 09-28-2016, 07:15 AM   #25
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My son in law had a solar install company. He gave me a 270watt panel. I have to research how this can be used on the boat. One panel for 270 watts!
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My son in law had a solar install company. He gave me a 270watt panel. I have to research how this can be used on the boat. One panel for 270 watts!
How many Amps charge would you expect on a sunny day approx?
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:07 AM   #27
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Solar alone cannot eliminate fossil fuel power generation for a variety of reasons.

The simple fact is that until they figure out a way to store large amounts of energy during the times when the sun is not available, you will still need generator units that you can start up and run when you need them.
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I think the biggest reason is that there is little incentive for the power companies and utilities to invest in serious R&D to develop efficient energy storage.

If every building was to install a Tesla battery, market forces would drive battery innovation very quickly for batteries to become much more efficient and cost effective.

If power utilities invested in technologies like molten salt storage similar innovation would happen. Molten Salt Energy Storage — SolarReserve

Whist many individuals can see the benefits, society as a whole had decided that cheap is better, no matter what the cost!
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Or, on a local level, there may be opportunities for fire sale pricing when vendors are well stocked and a program pulls the subsidy plug?

https://news.ontario.ca/mei/en/2016/...ocurement.html

By this point, the less savvy are into the game and a few may have their pants 'round their ankles...

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Old 09-29-2016, 05:52 AM   #29
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Very interesting and brief article on latest peak CO2 historical level breach from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.


https://motherboard.vice.com/read/go...point-for-good
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