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Old 07-09-2016, 11:04 PM   #41
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We all have our own criteria and needs. As for Seaweed, I wouldn't feel safe outside the interior because it missed two essential criteria for me: 180-degree wide decks with strong. high railings.
Wow, mark I don't see that j is suggesting anyone approve her boat as their's
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:13 PM   #42
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We all have our own criteria and needs. As for Seaweed, I wouldn't feel safe outside the interior because it missed two essential criteria for me: 180-degree wide decks with strong. high railings.
Absolutely. I wish I had a better way to go forward. One of the next items on the little list is to buy some tie-down loops (you know, the small stainless ones. Then, install same. Finish with netting like what I use in my pilothouse doors.

Big high railings like yours are definitely a thing of beauty.

Before Seaweed I considered the Prairie29. She's gorgeous, has those high rails. Her down sides for me were that I did not feel like I could handle her solo. With one side door I'd be limited on docking.

In retrospect, I dock so seldom that would not have been as big an issue.

Still, the 14k pounds the 29'er weighs would have necessitated heavier ground tackle. Going down to that LOVELY shower would have been hard on my knees.

So far I've had three knee surgeries so I've got my own built in barometer (that and the ribs I broke when that boat blew up next to me)

Anyway, yes, I do have a serious case of envy. Your side decks are spiffy! It's Coot's bilge that has me turning green. Your bilge is one of the nicest I have ever seen!
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:55 PM   #43
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Mark insulted you and your boat J, I don't know why, but by the 3 page on just about any forum on any topic; it somehow becomes a wizzing contest.
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As one who has shared a meal with Mark on more than one occasion I can assure you that the man means no malice toward anyone. A true gentleman with a soul to match. Perhaps after some time you will recognize that.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:57 AM   #45
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Mark would not insult anyone, ever.

What he wrote We all have our own criteria and needs. As for Seaweed, I wouldn't feel safe outside the interior because it missed two essential criteria for me: 180-degree wide decks with strong. high railings. should be an important consideration to any boat buyer. Safety ought to be a critical component of whatever boat is chosen.

Mark's side decks are safe. He is "inside" even when he is outside. It's a great boat.

And so too is my Seaweed. I have a coastal cruiser designed for safe protected waters. That's what I wanted and have.

Mark's got an entirely different level of boat. It is nicer. That does not mean I'd swap boats. I prefer Seaweed. She suits me.
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No insult at all......just a personal comment about his own feelings.

Plus .....this is an open forum, not a blog.

Expect almost anything up to the point of it not being civil enough the moderators jump in. Even then what a lot of people consider rude is because it doesn't agree with them, or isn't their style....just like boats.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:53 PM   #48
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Mark would not insult anyone, ever.
I can't swear about ever, but expressing a preference of one type boat vs. another or one feature vs. another isn't insulting in my mind. I hope everyone here prefers a boat like theirs. This is no different than if we said Mark's boat is too slow for our tastes or he says ours is too fast and uses too much fuel for his. We adore his Coot, but wouldn't be the right boat for us. No different than galley up or down, twin or single.

If you start talking about sushi, then we're probably going to make faces and say yuck. Doesn't mean we don't like you, just that we don't eat sushi. In no way intended as an insult. We have a couple of very close friends that when we eat out will generally find something to order that we'd never eat. Then they look at what we order and think it's so boring.
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She already told all of us we were beating a dead horse.....
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Sushi MMMM.. BUT NOT without wasabi!
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:45 PM   #51
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@ Denise: I chime in with a different aspect. (Actually 2).

I picked my boat not solely because (but mainly) the almost complete lack of bright work to maintain and more importantly to me the solid UN cored hull.

Of the dozen or so boats I was searching through the constant stream of deck repairs, bright work rails, trim and interior made me rethink buying.

Until I stumbled across
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This is how I found THE particular boat I wanted as a GrandKid Transportation Vehicle. As well as a fun way for the better half and I to enjoy.

I've worked on hundreds of boats over my career. Operated many dozens. Ridden as guest on many. Owned sunfish, Ranger 30, and skiffs and whaler. But when I saw that video I instantly became 'A Recovering Sailboater'.
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Smaller Trawler names?

We have a GB 36 Classic but here are some other "out of the box" suggestions.
We also have a C Dory 22 Cruiser. Great little boat boat with a trawler look. And it's an outboard. They also make a C Dory 25 and a Tom Cat 255. Check out Ranger Tugs 21, 25 and 27. They also make a Ranger Tug 23 with an outboard that is pretty cool.
Willard and Cape Dory also made small trawlers under 30 ft. I recently saw a Willard 25 in Florida for 20 or 25k.
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We have a GB 36 Classic but here are some other "out of the box" suggestions.
We also have a C Dory 22 Cruiser. Great little boat boat with a trawler look. And it's an outboard. They also make a C Dory 25 and a Tom Cat 255. Check out Ranger Tugs 21, 25 and 27. They also make a Ranger Tug 23 with an outboard that is pretty cool.
Willard and Cape Dory also made small trawlers under 30 ft. I recently saw a Willard 25 in Florida for 20 or 25k.
None of which come close to what the OP is asking about.

Denise is not some noob that has no idea of what she is doing. She is a smart, competent woman who knows what she wants and knows her constraints.
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Denise, don't search by brand, search with your preferred parameters and pay close attention to the "orphan" boats. In about 3500 surveys I have been impressed by only four boats and they were all homebuilt orphans ! Of course I've seen a not more ugly orphans but don't overlook an un-branded boat as they will often sell for substantially less than a "name" even though they can be much better boats.
Agreed. Get off the beaten path. Sounds like you have the background and confidence to recognize the right boat when you see it.

I spent a lot of time looking and thinking of what I wanted, and my parameters weren't much different from yours. I was set on diesel, and if you are too I'd suggest that this is probably the best search filter. Keep an open mind and the right boat will show up, and it may well be something that nobody has heard of.
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Hmmm seems like the original question was this:

I don't need 30+ feet.

The question is, what search parameters do I use to find smaller trawlers?

Boatpoker: "None of which come close to what the OP is asking about.

Denise is not some noob that has no idea of what she is doing. She is a smart, competent woman who knows what she wants and knows her constraints."

Sheesh, seems like the suggestions I threw out there for her consideration was exactly the kind of free thinking suggestions she was looking for. Doesn't mean she has to take them. Just ideas.

Good Lord, there is one in every punch bowl that wants to argue.

Pard, when someone asks a question, any suggestion is good info to ruminate on.
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SeaWeed is a great looking boat!
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I spent two years searching for a full displacement <30 ft. trawler and finally found my Vashon. She has been restored and has been a joy to own. There have been a few Vashons for sale lately. Best on your search!
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Doesn't mean she has to take them. Just ideas.

Good Lord, there is one in every punch bowl that wants to argue.

Pard, when someone asks a question, any suggestion is good info to ruminate on.
You forgot budget.
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Good Lord, there is one in every punch bowl that wants to argue. ...
Yeah, tell me about it.
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Boatpoaker, I didn't ignore budget. You can get a C Dory 22 little trawler for around 20-25k. You can get a Willard 25 for 20-25k. Everything else I mentioned was between 20 and 125k on the used market. Hard to get a trawler for much less than that bottom figure. If you do you are going to spend a lot making it seaworthy. You pay up front or you pay on the back side. That's just the way it is.
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