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Old 05-02-2016, 10:40 AM   #81
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IMO .....
Sheer is mostly a visual thing when used as it is here. If thaking about a lines drawing the sheer is where the flare (if present) breaks (changes direction).
A cap rail may end at a sheer break so may not go aft of the break but usually does. The visual sheer line goes aft to the transom so is stem to stern ... as in post #58. A broken sheer (post 58) always makes a boat look shorter and a high freeboard also does so a boat like 58 looks especially short.
Also I think the sheer line is visual and imaginary. It dos'nt follow the structure as much as the physical appearance. But there are as many sheer lines as styles of shoes so the concept of sheer or sheer line is not a hard and fast concept. For those that prefer things finite and specific the sheer line may be a bit vague and hard to sort out. There's so many variations ... lots of sheer as a river drift boat, straight sheer, broken sheer and all the variation there-in.
And a sheer line is usually not linear. The radius of the curve (if not straight) almost always varies fwd to aft. This variation, I belive is the essence if what makes a sheer line pleasing to the eye. And re the lines of a boat the sheer line usually dominates the other lines in the image of the boat. Lines have great influence on visual images and the image of a boat is often revered so the sheer line has considerable importance and promanance. Many other words get involved in comunicating the concept of sheer. Deep sheer, flat, straight, hooked, rockered, broken, powerful or profound and others.
You're blessed though if your boat has a "nice" sheer line.
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:51 AM   #82
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Oliver,
I think the sheer line itself is beautiful but not as applied to that boat. Powerful to be sure but heavy and too strange and dominating. Too upside down. May be very effectual and attractive if the boat was cut off at the sheer break.

But sheer appropriateness, beauty and all the other ramifications of sheer is in the eye of the beholder. That sheer line is aggressive and powerful and probably appeals to sport fishermen. So it was probably put there by a designer that knew what he was doing.

But beautiful on that boat .... no.
Would help IMO if the house was level .. or more level. Looks like it's sagging aft or/and has a structural problem.
The bigger the picture is the better it looks though.
Speaking of pics did you take this great picture?
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:03 PM   #83
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Oliver,
I think the sheer line itself is beautiful but not as applied to that boat. Powerful to be sure but heavy and too strange and dominating. Too upside down. May be very effectual and attractive if the boat was cut off at the sheer break.

But sheer appropriateness, beauty and all the other ramifications of sheer is in the eye of the beholder. That sheer line is aggressive and powerful and probably appeals to sport fishermen. So it was probably put there by a designer that knew what he was doing.

But beautiful on that boat .... no.
Would help IMO if the house was level .. or more level. Looks like it's sagging aft or/and has a structural problem.
The bigger the picture is the better it looks though.
Speaking of pics did you take this great picture?
I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. I think the shear line is very appropriate to the boat. Just looks right, but of course that's just me. Designer definitely knows what he's doing, as this specific company (Bayliss Boatworks) are know for their sportfishermans. Which are all custom cold molded boats. I think the "sagging" house is part of the sleek and sporty look of the boat.

I did not take that excellent picture.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:22 PM   #84
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Oliver,
I agree about the slanted house.
Actually I'm starting to like it.
It's still very bold.
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A broken sheer (post 58) always makes a boat look shorter ......
Eric, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but it's exactly that, your opinion.

I think that post #58 shows a well thought out design that incorporates an appropriate "sheer" for that particular vessel. Remember, a sheer line is the result of a vessels mission as seen by the designer. Some are extremely beautiful to the eye and some (most?) are utilitarian. I favor the latter.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:25 PM   #86
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Oliver,
I agree about the slanted house.
Actually I'm starting to like it.
It's still very bold.
Eric, Here are some websites as food for thought.
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Just a tad bit different from what most of your sheer lines are....


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Eric, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but it's exactly that, your opinion.

I think that post #58 shows a well thought out design that incorporates an appropriate "sheer" for that particular vessel. Remember, a sheer line is the result of a vessels mission as seen by the designer. Some are extremely beautiful to the eye and some (most?) are utilitarian. I favor the latter.
Walt,
As I said it makes the boat look short. Can't get around it.
Did'nt say there was something wrong w the boat ..... unless looking short is a negative and I'll go on record as saying it is. A very small negative. It's fly stuff compared to the other elements of most boat designs.

As to my opinion of course it's my opinion. What's your point of saying I'm entitled to my opinion? That's obvious to me.
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IMO .....
Sheer is mostly a visual thing when used as it is here. If thaking about a lines drawing the sheer is where the flare (if present) breaks (changes direction).
A cap rail may end at a sheer break so may not go aft of the break but usually does. The visual sheer line goes aft to the transom so is stem to stern ... as in post #58. A broken sheer (post 58) always makes a boat look shorter and a high freeboard also does so a boat like 58 looks especially short.
Also I think the sheer line is visual and imaginary. It dos'nt follow the structure as much as the physical appearance. But there are as many sheer lines as styles of shoes so the concept of sheer or sheer line is not a hard and fast concept. For those that prefer things finite and specific the sheer line may be a bit vague and hard to sort out. There's so many variations ... lots of sheer as a river drift boat, straight sheer, broken sheer and all the variation there-in.
And a sheer line is usually not linear. The radius of the curve (if not straight) almost always varies fwd to aft. This variation, I belive is the essence if what makes a sheer line pleasing to the eye. And re the lines of a boat the sheer line usually dominates the other lines in the image of the boat. Lines have great influence on visual images and the image of a boat is often revered so the sheer line has considerable importance and promanance. Many other words get involved in comunicating the concept of sheer. Deep sheer, flat, straight, hooked, rockered, broken, powerful or profound and others.
You're blessed though if your boat has a "nice" sheer line.
Well stated Eric!
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My recently departed ex Navy Motor Whaleboat had pleasing sheer.
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Our recently sold 1963, 34ft Chris Craft "Charmed". After the 1950's the sheer line of the Chris Craft's became very plain compared to the raised decks of prior models. However, overall my highly biased opinion is the Chris's in the 60's were the best looking boats on the water at that time and still have a timeless style that stands up well.
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That's a wonderful photograph.
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MY observation is that when ANYONE asks what a particular nautical term means, more often than not, a simple "definition" blossoms like flowers in the spring into a multi page "discussion".
You mean like "Salon"?
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You mean like "Salon"?
Salon sheer?
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One of my all time favourites for 'sheer beauty'...the Allweather pocket trawler;

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That All Weather is a neat boat! Similar the MWB but with deeper draft aft.
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One of my all time favourites for sheer beauty...the Allweather pocket trawler;

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Those are really nice little cruisers.

I was brought up being very often aboard a 23' 1948 Chris Craft Express... some times for over a month at a time with parents and us three young kids cruising new England inner water ways and sometimes off shore on really nice days.. For cruising now at 6'1" and 250 weightlifter lbs... I simply require more elbow room than these boats provide. With 5'10" wife, staying aboard those little beauties would be cramped to say the least
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Greetings,
Mr. hh. "You mean like "Salon"?" Already covered that in post #56.
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