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Old 11-28-2016, 02:18 PM   #1
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Shopping for New Boat... again

I've been looking for the "loop" boat for the past 6 months (posted about it a few months ago), and have learned a LOT, from this forum, looking at boats and talking with people.

Also read and re-read the Boat Shopping 101 on this forum.

Looks like my basic goals of a 32 to 42 ft. boat haven't changed much. Raised the size from a 35 to 45, and really looks like the 35 to 42 is in the spot that will work.

Have modified the Must Haves and Nice to Haves:

Absolute MUST haves:
Low speed economy cruise, and high speed option
Good engines,
Heat and Air that is modern and works excellent
WasherDryer
Full sized fridge, or options for additional fridge
Swim platform
Room for dinghy, kayak and windsurfer and bikes
Dinghy, small engine is fine
State of the art electronics, or priced accordingly
17 ft air clearance (Chicago is 18.5ft), or master that lowers
Good maintenance history.

Desirables:
Stairs, not a ladder
Excellent engine and mechanical access, especially for normal maint, like filters, hoses, seacocks, oil.
Open areas, large aft sitting cockpit area, large bridge area
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I've looked at a few older boats, and the ones that are well maintained and modernized are really good values.

I've found the maintenance history and logs for most boats to be very poorly put together, it at all. You would think that one who owns a boat that probably cost several hundred grand and has really expensive things that can go wrong would have logs that show everything, and keeps him abreast of future maintenance.

Of the boats the look pretty good, include the Mainship, Meridian, Sabreline, Regal (one model), Grand Banks (but probably too pricy).

One thing I've done is to call some of the manufacturers of the boats, engines, and accessories to see how support is. A lot of boat mfgs are out of business and there's just no support, and a few out of business ones like the Mainship do have some good options. Carver looked pretty poor for help, but haven't ruled them out. Volvo is the worst... you can't even talk to someone there. (I've had Volvos before and sold the boat because if it).

I sure like the style of the dinghy on top of the back of the bridge with the crane to put it in the water, and would like same for my kayak. And one that easily folds down if needed.

And, yes, it's ones preferences that will make a difference, but there's some boats or engines that are great and some that are not, and after some searching I'm learning which is which.

If I'm stepping on someone's toes, please correct me, but some that I'd stay away from include the Marine Trader, Ford Lehman engine, Volvo engines.

Still have a way to go.
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Old 11-28-2016, 02:59 PM   #2
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Some observations of your must haves and desireables:

The go fast requirement will limit you to newer, 1995+ models as before that trawlers didn't have enough power. GB made the switch to high powered go fast trawlers, Mainship and the others followed (more or less).

A washer/dryer definitely puts you into the 40'+ catagory, probably 42' minimum.

These boats will all be twins to go fast and good engines for this type of boat will be Cummins, Cats, maybe Yanmars (stay away from the 440 hp one) and yes Volvos (but rarely). The venerable Lehmans and Perkins don't have enough power to go fast even with twins.

Heat and air- Do you mean reverse cycle or do you have to have a separate diesel fueled heating system. If the latter then don't limit yourself, it can easily be added later.

Most boats will meet your air draft requirements, even some with fixed arches but radar may stick up too far on those.

Of the boats you listed the Mainship 43 and Saberline 42 fit pretty well, although it may be difficult to squeeze in a w/d on the Saberline and most are hardtops which limits room outside. The only problem with the Mainship 43 is the engines- it comes with the problematic Yanmar 440s. The Meridian and Regal are express cruisers and look too much like Clorox bottles to me.

Good luck on your search.

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Take a look at the Carver, John Baker and a couple others have them with the big Cummins and love them. One of them has a well kept one for sale currently. Tom and Bess seem pretty darned happy with their Navigator 42 but not sure if any where made without the Volvo engines.
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Some observations of your must haves and desireables:

The go fast requirement will limit you to newer, 1995+ models as before that trawlers didn't have enough power. GB made the switch to high powered go fast trawlers, Mainship and the others followed (more or less).

A washer/dryer definitely puts you into the 40'+ catagory, probably 42' minimum.

These boats will all be twins to go fast and good engines for this type of boat will be Cummins, Cats, maybe Yanmars (stay away from the 440 hp one) and yes Volvos (but rarely). The venerable Lehmans and Perkins don't have enough power to go fast even with twins.

Heat and air- Do you mean reverse cycle or do you have to have a separate diesel fueled heating system. If the latter then don't limit yourself, it can easily be added later.

Most boats will meet your air draft requirements, even some with fixed arches but radar may stick up too far on those.

Of the boats you listed the Mainship 43 and Saberline 42 fit pretty well, although it may be difficult to squeeze in a w/d on the Saberline and most are hardtops which limits room outside. The only problem with the Mainship 43 is the engines- it comes with the problematic Yanmar 440s. The Meridian and Regal are express cruisers and look too much like Clorox bottles to me.

Good luck on your search.

David

David,

Good info, thx, worthy of more consideration. Gut feeling I'll definitely be 1995 or newer, so nice to fine that they have the option of higher speeds.

A washer dryer is a must after talking to a few friends that have been there. A Laundromat reminded me of my college year where I couldn't afford a pot to piss in and saved dimes for the laundry... there's NOTHING worse. I'd rather go naked than go to a Laundromat again. Hate waiting for clothes to finish or people throwing my laundry on the table. NO WAY.

But, Im hoping that I could squeeze one on a smaller boat... saw a 36 Kadey today that would have plenty of space for one, but had other things that made it a no go. We'll see, but a 40 certainly isn't out of the question.

Reverse cycle air is find... don't do cold weather boating.
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Take a look at the Carver, John Baker and a couple others have them with the big Cummins and love them. One of them has a well kept one for sale currently. Tom and Bess seem pretty darned happy with their Navigator 42 but not sure if any where made without the Volvo engines.
CP,

What's a Navigator? A search come up with some big (50ft) expensive yachts, not my style, and with other than Volvo engines, and a very few 42s that look pretty nice.... need to research than a bit more, very nice boats and price right.
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As a newbie, I can only harken to the RV world for experience - The folks with washer/dryer spend new 200K-300K on rigs, spending a minimum of 50K in depreciation per year for that new car smell. Thats a lot of quarters.
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So are we still at the same price point as you mentioned in the first thread?
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Take a look at the Carver, John Baker and a couple others have them with the big Cummins and love them. One of them has a well kept one for sale currently.
That would be me and I do love mine. Last time I called Carver they were responsive and very helpful. You need the HIN#. Try 920-822-7227. It's been awhile since I've called them. Carver went bankrupt in 2009 but emerged from bankruptcy as Marquis yachts but still building the Carver line. Their new boats look like they were designed to avoid radar detection rather than the traditional lines of a recreational motor boat.

We spent 8 months cruising the ICW north and south and used laundromats as needed. We just got into the mind set of doing it and really never thought much about it. I would never ever want to try and remove or do major repair to a washer or dryer in a boat. A dryer using 110v takes awhile.

Once you get a taste of going fast it's hard to go back. We cruised the ICW northbound mostly slow-7.5 kts but southbound with fuel at half the cost we went fast most of the time - 15-17 kts.

A fast boat requires big twin engines. Cummins are one of the best, but you better make sure the after coolers and turbo's are always in very good shape and the boat is properly propped.

I too had considered doing the loop, and I felt my boat was the perfect size to do it. But after discussions on this forum I dropped the idea. The east side has so much more that better to do that twice. However the tributaries of the Mississippi I've heard are a worthy consideration.

Good luck in your search. You are wise to consider the importance of maintenance records. It says a lot about the owner and his attitude about his vessel.

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One thing to start getting into perspective is "model length"....

2 nearly the same length boats can have vastly different volume.

My Albin 40.....is really a touch over 39 feet per the USCG, and has a clipper bow and semi displacement hull that is hard pressed to really be semi displacement. Plus it only has around a 34 foot waterline by my very rough measurement...if anyone has that design spec, please post.

A 42 Kady Kroger next to my boat looks at least 1.5x the volume... maybe more. So things like washer/dryers will fit into those larges spaces better.

I have struggled with adding a washer/dryer, and just can't find a space it will really fit without giving up major storage or living space. Even the engine room with a single isn't really tall enough unless I get rid of my genset.

So be careful when selecting by length...and get to know the volumes of different models.
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[/U]I too had considered doing the loop, and I felt my boat was the perfect size to do it. But after discussions on this forum I dropped the idea. The east side has so much more that better to do that twice. However the tributaries of the Mississippi I've heard are a worthy consideration.
I'm very curious as to what made you drop the idea of the loop.
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I'm very curious as to what made you drop the idea of the loop.

With all due respect to Tim I'll take a stab at offering a possible interpretation of what you read.

His wife was not interested.

Not exactly the kinda thing a gentleman writes publicly.
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CP,

What's a Navigator? A search come up with some big (50ft) expensive yachts, not my style, and with other than Volvo engines, and a very few 42s that look pretty nice.... need to research than a bit more, very nice boats and price right.
Be happy to share everything I have learned about Navigators. Yes, some were made without Volvos, but don't let that scare you off. In the year models you are looking for, you will be fine getting parts and service for them.

I don't know your price range, but here is a good YW search of the 39'-48': navigator (Power) Boats For Sale

Your biggest challenge will be that most Navigators are on the west coast, however, they are extremely efficient and roomy for their size. If you can find one near you, go take a look for sure. It really does check all your boxes.
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I'm very curious as to what made you drop the idea of the loop.
Not correct. I said the western portion of the loop. I have not done it but I have done a portion of the eastern end. What I have heard from a couple of sources is the Mississippi is somewhat industrial and if you're going to spend the time and money, better to enjoy the eastern portion twice. Just sharing an opinion from some others.
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I came across this one and really would be interested if I was in the market currently. Looks like it may fit your bill.

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My apologies Tim. I read more into that than was there sir. My bad.
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I know I mentioned that the Marine Trader wasn't perhaps the best boat. Got that info from a few friend with experience that said there were hull issues. You would know more than all of us. Are there years better than others, or is it just inspect and proceed?

No intention of insulting you!
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So are we still at the same price point as you mentioned in the first thread?

Larry,

Assume addressed to me... now shopping in the $100 to $200 range, but for a killer deal can go higher.
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That would be me and I do love mine. Last time I called Carver they were responsive and very helpful. You need the HIN#. Try 920-822-7227. It's been awhile since I've called them. Carver went bankrupt in 2009 but emerged from bankruptcy as Marquis yachts but still building the Carver line. Their new boats look like they were designed to avoid radar detection rather than the traditional lines of a recreational motor boat.

We spent 8 months cruising the ICW north and south and used laundromats as needed. We just got into the mind set of doing it and really never thought much about it. I would never ever want to try and remove or do major repair to a washer or dryer in a boat. A dryer using 110v takes awhile.

Once you get a taste of going fast it's hard to go back. We cruised the ICW northbound mostly slow-7.5 kts but southbound with fuel at half the cost we went fast most of the time - 15-17 kts.

A fast boat requires big twin engines. Cummins are one of the best, but you better make sure the after coolers and turbo's are always in very good shape and the boat is properly propped.

I too had considered doing the loop, and I felt my boat was the perfect size to do it. But after discussions on this forum I dropped the idea. The east side has so much more that better to do that twice. However the tributaries of the Mississippi I've heard are a worthy consideration.

Good luck in your search. You are wise to consider the importance of maintenance records. It says a lot about the owner and his attitude about his vessel.

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Timejet,

THANKS, very good info. I've always liked the Carver, has some friends that had them and was disappointed to hear they went bankrupt, but glad someone has resurrected the support of a find boat. I really need to look at yours. Will send a PM.... thx again.
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