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12-19-2017, 01:45 PM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
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Ship Runs Aground Columbia River
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12-19-2017, 03:26 PM
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
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KM London, currently docked in Longview, WA. Liberian registry, what a surprise.
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12-19-2017, 03:35 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Westerly, RI
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepke
KM London, currently docked in Longview, WA. Liberian registry, what a surprise.
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Surprised that it's docked in Longview, Wa.? or that it is Liberian flagged?
The vessel is owned Taiwan-based Kuang Ming Shipping. How would the country of registry come into play here? There was a River Pilot on board. I assume he is local to Washington State.
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12-19-2017, 06:38 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
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A ship had a "catastrophic gyro failure" in Douglas Channel not far from Kitimat a few years ago and rammed the rocky shoreline. Not much a Pilot can do in such tight quarters but throw it into reverse and hang on for the ride. Escort tugs always a good idea, but nibble into profits...
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12-19-2017, 07:58 PM
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City: Tri Cities, WA
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Barring a mechanical failure that could later be identified as the cause of the accident, when there is a pilot on board as well as the captain and crew, who likely would be held responsible for the grounding?
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12-19-2017, 09:42 PM
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Senior Member
City: Carrollton, Va
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GFC
Barring a mechanical failure that could later be identified as the cause of the accident, when there is a pilot on board as well as the captain and crew, who likely would be held responsible for the grounding?
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The captain. The pilot is there to give advice but not take command of the ship. I'm curious what the "gyro issue" was, eyeballs are your first line of defense. But pilots now a days are so attached to computers that they can't do it alone!
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12-19-2017, 10:17 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
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Every new boat has to get the first ding...
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12-19-2017, 11:51 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg86
I'm curious what the "gyro issue" was...
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Gyro compass went squirrelly and sent the ship off on a new heading about 45 degrees off course in a narrow channel...as I recall.
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12-19-2017, 11:59 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
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Here it is...
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On September 25, 2009, two hours out of Kitimat in the Douglas Channel, the freighter Petersfield suffered complete gyroscopic failure, lost steering, took a turn to starboard and struck a rocky outcrop across from Grant Point. The 26 crew members suffered no injuries and the 187-metre freighter was able to extricate itself from the rocks and return to Kitimat. Despite extensive damage to the bulbous bow, no cargo was lost.
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12-20-2017, 06:19 AM
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Senior Member
City: Carrollton, Va
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MurrayM
Gyro compass went squirrelly and sent the ship off on a new heading about 45 degrees off course in a narrow channel...as I recall.
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So they were on auto pilot and not hand steering?
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12-20-2017, 09:33 AM
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City: Narragansett Bay
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 Classic #715
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg86
So they were on auto pilot and not hand steering?
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From a layman, It makes it sound like the gyro compass had control of the autopilot. When the gyro went haywire it ran the ship aground. That sounds to be a pretty lame excuse to me. Wouldn’t you be able to just disengage the autopilot if you were paying attention? Is it normal to have an autopilot engaged in a channel / river in the first place? As a professional could you “splain how this all works Lucy”
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12-20-2017, 09:44 AM
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Senior Member
City: Carrollton, Va
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Easting
From a layman, It makes it sound like the gyro compass had control of the autopilot. When the gyro went haywire it ran the ship aground. That sounds to be a pretty lame excuse to me. Wouldnt you be able to just disengage the autopilot if you were paying attention? Is it normal to have an autopilot engaged in a channel / river in the first place? As a professional could you splain how this all works Lucy
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They should have been in hand steering. I've never been on a ship that is on auto pilot inside the sea buoy. IF they were on auto pilot, it's very easy to go to hand steering. Sounds like nobody was paying attention and they screwed up big time. I'd be surprised if the pilot walks away with just a slap on the wrist.
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12-20-2017, 10:35 AM
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Guru
City: Birch bay wa
Vessel Name: Rogue
Vessel Model: North Pacific 42
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Salty D. They blamed the pilot, in the Cosco Busan incident. SF Bay in 2007.
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12-20-2017, 10:39 AM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrew
Surprised that it's docked in Longview, Wa.? or that it is Liberian flagged?
The vessel is owned Taiwan-based Kuang Ming Shipping. How would the country of registry come into play here? There was a River Pilot on board. I assume he is local to Washington State.
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We get ships from all over the world. Mostly from China and/or Hong Kong. They load logs, grain and dry bulk stuff. We also have a car ship twice a week that unloads in Portland
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12-20-2017, 10:40 AM
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Senior Member
City: Carrollton, Va
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel112r
Salty D. They blamed the pilot, in the Cosco Busan incident. SF Bay in 2007.
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Yes, that incident brought a lot of changes to the industry
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12-20-2017, 11:33 AM
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City: Narragansett Bay
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 Classic #715
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel112r
Salty D. They blamed the pilot, in the Cosco Busan incident. SF Bay in 2007.
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Why would they blame the pilot if the accident was attributed to an equipment malfunction which caused the boat to veer off course? Not to mention somebody was not paying attention. Seems like the captain owns that. Or am I speaking of a different incident?
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12-20-2017, 11:46 AM
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City: Carrollton, Va
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That pilot was going too fast in the fog and was impaired by prescription drugs which caused him to get confused and hit a bridge, spilling a ton of fuel into the bay.
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12-20-2017, 01:01 PM
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Guru
City: Narragansett Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg86
That pilot was going too fast in the fog and was impaired by prescription drugs which caused him to get confused and hit a bridge, spilling a ton of fuel into the bay.
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Now I am confused
“The pilot’s inclusion doesn’t exempt the OOW of his duties. As much of an expert as the pilot may be, the master remains the sole skipper and the last word on every matter. The master remains responsible for the vessel and her safe navigation and any incident doesn’t exonerate him from blame. When in doubt of the pilot’s efficiency, he may choose to take over the handling of the vessel.”
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12-20-2017, 01:04 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
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passed along to me...
http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/marine/2009/m09w0193/m09w0193.asp
Findings as to Causes and Contributing Factors
Following departure from Kitimat, a system malfunction resulted in periodic and erratic heading information being delivered to the 10 cm radar and also led to the freezing of the analogue repeaters.
At the same time as the repeaters froze, the quartermaster applied a small, routine amount of starboard rudder to make a minor course correction that resulted in the vessel commencing and continuing a starboard turn.
Since the pilot had stepped onto the bridge wing and the OOW was distracted by the problem with the 10 cm radar, the vessel's progress was not effectively monitored and the starboard turn continued for over 2 minutes before the pilot became aware of the unintended deviation.
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12-20-2017, 01:40 PM
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Senior Member
City: Carrollton, Va
Join Date: Sep 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Easting
Now I am confused
The pilots inclusion doesnt exempt the OOW of his duties. As much of an expert as the pilot may be, the master remains the sole skipper and the last word on every matter. The master remains responsible for the vessel and her safe navigation and any incident doesnt exonerate him from blame. When in doubt of the pilots efficiency, he may choose to take over the handling of the vessel.
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Correct, but you can't be on the bridge of a vessel stoned, hit a bridge, spill fuel and think you're free of any consequences.
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