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Old 05-16-2015, 03:20 AM   #21
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This is just so stupid. What disturbs me is what no one seems to be talking about at all. Why do we accept the premise that bureaucrats and politicians have any say in what legal activity a business does in their city based on polititics? Friggin fascists. What if a conservative town tried to block google from opening a campus in their town saying that the company didn't reflect the values of it's 'people." Does this not smack of old USSR?
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Old 05-16-2015, 03:26 AM   #22
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Couldn't help my but smile reading that comment.

Which re minds me has anyone seen the old black & white Ealing comedy of the 50's called 'The Mouse That Roared'.
Yes, but I believe you'll find it was in color.
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Old 05-16-2015, 06:28 AM   #23
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Shell's decision to recommence drilling in the Arctic may be due to the rapidly lowering cost of drilling.

This drop in oil price is causing a big shake up, and there are plenty of drilling rigs on the move. Some are shutting down, some are changing contracts. Major slowdown in the west.
Oil companies are bailing out of long term contracts at up to $600,000 day and negotiating another with a similar rig at half the price.

If it stays low you may see a lot of rigs heading to the middle east. Saudi currently has more rigs drilling than ever before in an effort to increase there #1 market share further.
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:07 AM   #24
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Couldn't help my but smile reading that comment.

Which re minds me has anyone seen the old black & white Ealing comedy of the 50's called 'The Mouse That Roared'.
I do see the irony in that.
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Old 05-16-2015, 05:42 PM   #25
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I think it's possible to appreciate petroleum products and still express honest concerns over what an oil spill could do in the Arctic. Ask folks in Orange Beach, Alabama what the BP well rupture did to their economy.

I don't think protesting is unAmerican; quite the opposite.

For those who have no problem with industrial infrastructure being located absolutely anywhere--the public be damned--please post your contact info. My company would love to site a couple of these in your backyard.

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Old 05-16-2015, 08:29 PM   #26
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I think it's possible to appreciate petroleum products and still express honest concerns over what an oil spill could do in the Arctic. Ask folks in Orange Beach, Alabama what the BP well rupture did to their economy.

I don't think protesting is unAmerican; quite the opposite.

For those who have no problem with industrial infrastructure being located absolutely anywhere--the public be damned--please post your contact info. My company would love to site a couple of these in your backyard.

Not too often new tranmission towers are installed in existing neighborhoods vs. New neighborhoods run under existing towers.. power has to come from somewhere!
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:01 PM   #27
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Yes, but I believe you'll find it was in color.
Of course.

I guess it's the opposite to 'looking through rose coloured glasses'.
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:17 PM   #28
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I think it's possible to appreciate petroleum products and still express honest concerns over what an oil spill could do in the Arctic.
I cannot speak for what gooes on in the gulf, but I can comment on what goes on in the Arctic.

Folks would not believe the extradornary measures we go through to prevent spills. Rest assured we are being good stewards of our enviroment. We know whats at risk and we work hard as individuals and as a team to do no harm to our surroundings.

I won't say that concern is unwarranted, of course folks should be concerned. We are all concerned and our work practices are a direct result of that concern.
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Want to hurt an oil company? pedal a bike, row, or walk.
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Want to hurt an oil company? pedal a bike, row, or walk.
On a bike with tires made from petroleum products, in a boat most likely made from petroleum products, in shoes that have at least some components made from petroleum products.
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Old 05-16-2015, 11:47 PM   #31
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You're right, Steve. And stop buying plastic, fiberglass, lifejackets, clothing, paint, deodorant, shampoo, fertilizer.........


I've worked for oil companies for most of my life throughout the world.
IMHO, the environmental impact of petroleum exploration & production is very minimal in comparison to the actual use and disposal of petroleum products.


But let's admit it. We are addicted to the stuff. I am glad it is a limited resource, and eventually we will run out. We have little appreciation for the product which has taken 100's of millions of years to produce, and is sold so cheaply while it is still relatively abundant.
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Old 05-17-2015, 07:33 AM   #32
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"I am glad it is a limited resource, and eventually we will run out."

Perhaps , perhaps NOT,,

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  2. 1. Oil will never "run out",
  3. although lower supplies will force changes in use.
  4. Its costs could go up with a lack of supply
  5. Epoxy to stick together a modern air craft will be paid for regardless,
  6. the days of 17c a gal diesel or 10 gal for a buck may be over.
  7. Then again only a small portion of the planet and undersea areas have been explored.
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:24 PM   #33
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We should stop all oil exploration.

That will force oil prices up. These current low prices are threatening the dividends on my oil stocks.
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Old 05-17-2015, 09:07 PM   #34
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The following quote is from Ahmed Zamani, former Saudi minister of oil and mineral resources; "The Stone Age came to an end not for a lack of stones, and the oil age will end, but not for a lack of oil."

My great hope is some tranformative technology which greatly reduces our current dependance on oil. Things are bad enough right now, but the human population keeps expanding and parts of the third world are poised to belly up to the consumerism trough.

My faith, however, is with Nature. Nature always finds a way to bring cyclical balance to systems. I hope we figure this energy thing out before it gets ugly...
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Old 05-17-2015, 11:33 PM   #35
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No - we will never run out of oil. The cost of extracting the last bit will be too high.


We've already picked all the low hanging fruit, and there's at least 70% further up in the tree. We will extract some of that, but eventually it required more energy to extract, than you are actually extracting. Already, some deposits like the tar sands in Alberta are requiring 40% of the energy recovered, to extract, process, and transfer the end product.


As Murray says, Mother Nature does find a balance, but she is slow moving. Perfection takes time. Hopefully she can keep up with our greed.


My hope is that the price of fuel skyrockets forcing us to make some changes.
Imagine a world where it is no longer profitable to send refrigerated containers of frozen chicken legs from China to the USA; it's much cheaper to buy them locally.
It's no longer cheaper to buy a disposable power tool; It's worthwhile to buy one that lasts a life time.
Imagine cities designed so we can all walk to work, rather than stress ourselves out in traffic jams.

OK -my John Lennon rant is over. but just remember when the price of oil goes back up, there is a plus side to it.
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:23 AM   #36
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Rig in Everett

She'll should just move rig to Everett, there is already a nice big one there waiting to go drill, drill, drill!!
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She'll should just move rig to Everett, there is already a nice big one there waiting to go drill, drill, drill!!
I believe that one belongs to Shell also.
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Old 05-18-2015, 03:41 AM   #38
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A pic of numerous kayaking protestors made a Sydney newspaper. Unless it`s a fake, there was many more than "a few" of them. What`s that mean? No idea.
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"What`s that mean? No idea."

Lots of folks have lots of time on their hands and want to "Save the World".

Its Daddy envy , daddy was smoking dope and screwing in the 60's , ending war forever ,and it sounded like great fun.

Today pot is legal and 13 year olds "hook up" , so some protest must be found .


Of course the plastic boats are taken home to their 3500 sq ft house on a 7mpg Range Rover , as they complain about $2.50 gas.
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There is A nice rig in Everett, and no one seems to mind???
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