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Old 04-27-2014, 12:10 AM   #21
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Active Captain quote - From the 5 years, 50% of the boats I cut free had cutters. Spurs were the most common that I came across. There are different conclusions you can come to from those findings - either cutters don't do anything or they give the pilot a false sense of security and they are then more careless.


You seem to be implying that they're worthless. Isn't the likelihood that they sometimes actually worked as advertised, and you didn't get called to cut them free?

Should I not add them then?

Sometimes we don't know what we don't know.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:18 AM   #22
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I have three cutters, Sepp, Anna Clare and Anton. They work fine but they are expensive
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:39 AM   #23
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You seem to be implying that they're worthless. Isn't the likelihood that they sometimes actually worked as advertised, and you didn't get called to cut them free?
I gave my findings. 50% of the boat grabbing lines had cutters. Does 50% of the boat population that would need to call TowBoat US for line cutting have cutters? My guess, and it's a complete guess, is that maybe 25% of the boats have cutters. So if they were just worthless, you'd expect 25% of the boats to have cutters, right?

Of course, if 75% of the boat had cutters, the meaning of the data might be different.

I don't have cutters on my twin engine trawler and I've lived in Maine for the last 21 years although most of my trawlering hours have been done outside of Maine. I have never picked up a pot on my trawler (I did pick up one pot on another smaller cruising boat in 1998).

The evaluation of all of this is left as an exercise to the reader.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:56 AM   #24
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I had cutters (spurs) on my mainship for 14 seasons. Cut 3 bouys off in that time, all of them were below the waterline because of strong currents. There was never any doubt when the lines were cut. It makes an obvious noise.
I also have a line cutter on my Albin, but haven,t cut anything other than a fishing line.
I do avoid all pot bouys, but sometimes theysneak up on you.
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:07 AM   #25
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I do not have them but have mentally debated the issue.

Jay is correct in that often it's the ones you CAN'T see that get you or just the floating line where someone else already cut the float off.

Even if they work 20% of the time on a given boat...they pay for themselves over a lifetime...even if it's just the aggravation of having to cut the line off yourself.

If you have never sucked a whole crab trap up into you prop...you are really missing out on all the fun.

Two summers ago I sucked the whole trap into the prop of my assistance towboat. On that boat I can reach a lot so I was able to wrench the pot off...but the bad news is the newer pots have rebar in them for weight,,,that rebar took two turns around the shaft/prop and was stopping my 454 dead cold.

The only time in 11 years I couldn't make it back to the dock on my own, had to get emergency ahauled...as I was on my way to a jet skier drifting rather quickly towards Bermuda as he had to wait almost 2 hours from the time he called.

So if the cutter had worked just that one time...it would have been worth it on the towboat.
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Old 04-27-2014, 01:08 PM   #26
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Of course goal #1 is to not run anything over, but I can thing of two cases where that's easier said than done.

The first is running at night where you can't see the buggers.

The second is in Maine where for some reason the State and lobstermen think it's a good idea to blanket all navigable waters with lobster traps.

After dodging lobster traps my whole life and never getting caught, I went to Maine and promptly got tangled in one. After that cutters were installed.

Unfortunately, cutters are a bit like fuel additives and different brands of oil - not having a problem does not prove effectiveness. With cutters, the only proof of effectiveness would be shredded line in your wake. So far I haven't seen that, but I also haven't been back to Maine. In the mean time, I'll keep my cutters.
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I have noted for years on TF that if one doesn't have item X on their vessel that it is not necessary for others either. TFites go to some interesting extremes in justifying the side of the coin they are on for items such as

Cutters
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In a way, it is the new stuff, gadget or gizmo haves vs the have nots.
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Mr. s. Extremes? On TF?
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Old 04-27-2014, 01:26 PM   #29
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So true.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:54 AM   #30
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Cutters
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Many are desirements that justify never leaning the dock.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:22 AM   #31
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Cutters
Genset chargers
Active stabilizers
AIS
Twin engines
SD hulls
Large fuel tanks
Anchors and rode
3 stage fuel filters
Vessels over XX length
Electronic diesels
Etc



Many are desirements that justify never leaning the dock.
I gothca FF; I forgot to add other items some think frivolous such as flush toilets, an electric refrigerator, a water heater , AC, diesel heat, bow thruster, induction cooktop, fly bridge, chain rode and lap top based chart plotting. With these items in addition to my earlier abbreviated list, leaving the dock as frequently as possible is much enabled.

Now, about that HDTV dome receiver choice?
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Unless things have changed, I don't believe they are necessary for your trip. I did that route in 2000 and saw no need. You'll be in large ship waters most of the time and waters unsuited for lobstering.
Nonetheless you are in for a great cruise.
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:39 PM   #34
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All that gear , and no mention of a book to read!
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:09 PM   #35
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I had two major tangles with a pot line and a net in 7 years and since addng shaft sharks 8 years ago.....nothing. Maybe luck, maybe not. I figure that if they save me from one dangerous situation they are a great investment. As I get older and less interested in diving into freezing water to cut lines off my prop, certain options on my boat have become more important than others.
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I figure that if they save me from one dangerous situation they are a great investment.
I totally understand that logic. But by similar logic, what if they actually increase the likelihood of snagging a line? From my experience, they do. There's also something to be considered with the reduction in prop efficiency they create. I fully admit that the estimates I've seen show it to only reduce efficiency by 1-2% but over a decade of many miles, that can add up to more than a couple of beers.

For whatever reason, cutters give some people peace of mind. I think that's great. I hope that my alternative views only help to make those people continue to have that peace of mind while continuing to be extra careful around dangerous floating lines and pots. I hate to see anyone tangled in them and I also hate to see the potential equipment loss by the people who make their living out on the water.
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"....what if they actually increase the likelihood of snagging a line?"
From my experience they don't.
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"I also hate to see the potential equipment loss by the people who make their living out on the water."

Me too, but if their equipment gets tangled in my prop, they're going to lose it whether I dive over and risk my life cutting it off with a knife or my Spurs cut it off for me.
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