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Old 09-20-2016, 11:29 PM   #181
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I did recollect, with some irony, this discussion earlier today while driving down Rainier Avenue (a busy four lane in Seattle); when a sympathetic pedestrian engrossed in self conversation elected to cross an intersection against traffic.
Fortunately (remarkably?), 50 or so drivers set their rights-of-way aside and paused while our neighbor proceeded on her journey....
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:01 AM   #182
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I did recollect, with some irony, this discussion earlier today while driving down Rainier Avenue (a busy four lane in Seattle); when a sympathetic pedestrian engrossed in self conversation elected to cross an intersection against traffic.
Fortunately (remarkably?), 50 or so drivers set their rights-of-way aside and paused while our neighbor proceeded on her journey....
Now, that's what we're talking about! Pleasure Boat Captains should be similarly as observant (and forgiving when circumstances call for it) as car captains can be.

Your story reminds me of a road occurrence couple months ago. At afternoon rush hour: older woman with tow cart in hand carrying one food bag walked haltingly straight across Sir Francis Drake Blvd. in Marin County CA. ... during full red light in her direction. Both sides of blvd. made nary a move till she was across. In my book that is called aplomb.
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Sailboat masthead lights can be a problem for me. I had one tacking across a river and with his heel the lights were barely visible. Also my eyes are generally scanning lower down where most small boat running lights are. And the tacks can be unpredictable. I think some sailboaters like challenging powerboats as some sort of sick sport.
Yep.

Also, I've now noticed that some sail boats are using LED that they can change color.
Very handy until they forget to turn on the correct color.

Running down the Irish coast, we encountered a SV on a reciprocal couse showing a red top mast light.

My nephew was at the helm and I was watching over his shoulder. I find this best under difficult situations for me not helm so i can decide what to do.

We'd been watching this light for 15 minutes and had decided it was the top of a radio antenna about 10 miles away, as bearing never changed the whole time!

Nothing on radar, but seas were 4 to 6 feet, thus would get sporadic returns of wave tops.

At about 500 feet, I realize it's a sv dead ahead and grab the wheel to turn hard to stbd.

He passes a few hundred feet on our port side.
I call in 16 "sailing vessel running a red mast light"

He doesn't answer, but red light turns white.

Idiot.

PS. Unless I'm in a channel and don't have much room to maneuver, I never worry about stand to or off, I just adjust my course to pass astern.
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PS. Unless I'm in a channel and don't have much room to maneuver, I never worry about stand to or off, I just adjust my course to pass astern.
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Old 09-23-2016, 03:07 PM   #185
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Yep.

Also, I've now noticed that some sail boats are using LED that they can change color.
Very handy until they forget to turn on the correct color.
. Really?





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Running down the Irish coast, we encountered a SV on a reciprocal couse showing a red top mast light.
Really?

Or does your misunderstanding of Colregs not allow you to know what light you're looking at?????


The light 'magically' changed colors?


Really!!!!!????

Or was this answer ( and many more) a Colregs solution?


This was a 'Masthead Tri Color' light fully authorized, appropriately used, correctly installed And (most importantly) misinterpreted by you.


The light doesn't magically 'change color'. You (both vessels) have travelled through the sector visibility as you passed each other.
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Old 09-24-2016, 07:35 AM   #186
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"I call in 16 "sailing vessel running a red mast light"
He doesn't answer, but red light turns white."

Regardless of the rules when sailing far offshore we always show a white 360 light.

For the observer it ,

Could be a stern light or an anchor! light.

Or a small boat ( 7 meters) properly showing white all around.

At 33ft (10meters) our speed of 5-6.5K is minor to most ships , we are stationary from their point of view.

I feel the ability to be seen 3 x as far away than a color running light is a safety factor worth far more than dim red or green lights.

With the LED lights a good case can be made for deck or spreader lights a bit closer to the shelf.

I really dont think lying about 3 meters of LOA is going to cause problems for us , or the Esso Maru.
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Old 09-24-2016, 07:23 PM   #187
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Old 09-24-2016, 07:25 PM   #188
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Lots of idiots er...uniformed boaters out there. I watch and watch and watch approaching vessels. If in doubt, sometimes I just take it out of gear rather than asserting my right of way. I would rather avoid a collision than assert my right of way...
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Last night I was coming into Poulsbo around 8:00pm. Didn't see a 35' power boat anchored in front of the Marina entrance until I was about 30 yards away. I was heading right for it. No anchor light. As I went by I could see that there were folks in the saloon, they just didn't have, or didn't turn on their anchor light. It was very dark last night.
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Old 09-24-2016, 10:45 PM   #190
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Last night I was coming into Poulsbo around 8:00pm. Didn't see a 35' power boat anchored in front of the Marina entrance until I was about 30 yards away. I was heading right for it. No anchor light. As I went by I could see that there were folks in the saloon, they just didn't have, or didn't turn on their anchor light. It was very dark last night.
On the lake the bass boats would zoom around at 50 mph with no lights and their reason was they could see better that way. It just never crossed their minds that the lights were so they could be seen. We didn't boat at night and I do remember the one time we got caught by storms and it turned dark. Well, we never knew why we had radar on a bowrider, but we'd played with it. That night we were so happy to have it.
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:40 PM   #191
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Last night I was coming into Poulsbo around 8:00pm. Didn't see a 35' power boat anchored in front of the Marina entrance until I was about 30 yards away. I was heading right for it. No anchor light....
Without knowing the area, this picks up on earlier references to road events. It`s the unexpected act, legal or not, which catches others. Anchoring in front of a marina entrance is so silly(assuming it was not an emergency anchor drop, like a dead engine) it is well within "unexpected". Without an anchor light, they(and you) are lucky you were observant.
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Old 09-25-2016, 12:00 AM   #192
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4 words RADAR

it's always on in low visibility conditions...
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4 words RADAR

it's always on in low visibility conditions...

Yup, the radar was on and I was trying to monitor it but there were lots of targets, including a sailboat in front of us that was heading in the same direction. I noticed the sailboats stern light disappear as they went on the other side of the anchored cruiser. Not sure I would have spotted the boat without that clue.
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I just looked out in the harbor, there are at 6 boats anchored in our sight line. Out of the 6 boats only 1 has their anchor light on. unfortunately this seems pretty the norm around this area. The commercial boats will often come in here with their work lights on just to avoid these guys.... It may be that when you transverse these harbors at night it is with radar and a spot light both on....
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Lots of idiots er...uniformed boaters out there. I watch and watch and watch approaching vessels. If in doubt, sometimes I just take it out of gear rather than asserting my right of way. I would rather avoid a collision than assert my right of way...
RIGHT ON, same here!
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I just looked out in the harbor, there are at 6 boats anchored in our sight line. Out of the 6 boats only 1 has their anchor light on. unfortunately this seems pretty the norm around this area. The commercial boats will often come in here with their work lights on just to avoid these guys.... It may be that when you transverse these harbors at night it is with radar and a spot light both on....


If the area you reference is a designated anchorage, you're not required to have an anchor light.
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This isn't meant as a criticism of other postings above. However, I think it's always a good idea to compare our practices with what COLGREGS requires of us. In the case of having radar aboard, here's what Rule 7 states:


(a) Every vessel shall use all available means appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and conditions to determine if risk of collision exists. If there is any doubt such risk shall be deemed to exist.

(b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects.

(c) Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information, especially scanty radar information.

(d) In determining if risk of collision exists the following considerations shall be among those taken into account:

(i) Such risk shall be deemed to exist if the compass bearing of an approaching vessel does not appreciably change.
(ii) Such risk may sometimes exist even when an appreciable bearing change is evident, particularly when approaching a very large vessel or a tow or when approaching a vessel at close range.

In essence, if we have radar/AIS, etc. available, we're expected to use it all the time. I remember being surprised when I learned this while studying for my USCG ticket, since I rarely fired up the radar in clear conditions, especially on my sailboat (since sold.) On my trawler I turn everything on before making way.

Like all of you, I've had my share of close calls. We kept our sailboat in the BVI's, which is inundated with bareboat charterers, the vast majority of whom know nothing about COLREGS. The only solution there was to swallow my pride and just plan to give way if the burdened vessel didn't take appropriate action early on. You can usually tell who knows the rules and who doesn't. Sadly, many of them had no clue.

PS Our local lake where we keep our little O'Day sailboat is downright frightening. We have quit boating there on weekends, even though our local police and DNR folks try to control the chaos. I can't remember a summer when there wasn't a serious boating accident there, often resulting in a fatality. And of course, alcohol was often a contributing factor. (Probably equally true in the BVI's.)

Okay, I'll shut up.
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If the area you reference is a designated anchorage, you're not required to have an anchor light.
IMO - Whenever anchored the anchor light should be a glow.
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If the area you reference is a designated anchorage, you're not required to have an anchor light.

It is not a designated anchorage or mooring field. Actually not that many designated anchorages in Puget Sound.
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If the area you reference is a designated anchorage, you're not required to have an anchor light.
This is just a small semi rural fishing village, maybe 2 miles long and 1/2 mile wide... Just a little smaller than the Poulsbo harbor which Dave originally referenced...
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