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Old 06-21-2014, 05:17 PM   #21
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really surprised that those lists don't include good wide access to foredeck, good sightlines to bow when seated and aft for docking.
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Old 06-21-2014, 05:39 PM   #22
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions: First off, Hi to Bay Pelican; we met in Rodney Bay in '10 and I think the wives got together for one of their liquid lunches.
Yes, coming from a LH, I like the idea of somewhat overbuilt. Last time we crossed the Mona, we waited a week for a decent window and still got slammed around. Bad enough in a LH, not sure what it would have been like in one of the boats we are discussing here. Traveling between Caribbean islands, our go-no go for the LH was 6' seas or higher, and sometimes I even got that wrong by a few feet. (never in my favor)
As to KK's, been on a 48, and it would do well, but for headroom. I could live with it, but uncomfortable. Few 3SR KK48's. My LH has more headroom in the saloon. Forget about the LH engine "room" however. Will check out the O.A's on line.
And N47 suggests the N55, which can do everything, but looks quite tall. And draws more than I would care for... Just the same, I could probably live with the N55 negatives. Some friends of mine recently sold their N55, so I will see what they have to say about it.
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Old 06-21-2014, 05:44 PM   #23
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions: First off, Hi to Bay Pelican; we met in Rodney Bay in '10 and I think the wives got together for one of their liquid lunches.

Yes, coming from a LH, I like the idea of somewhat overbuilt. Last time we crossed the Mona, we waited a week for a decent window and still got slammed around. Bad enough in a LH, not sure what it would have been like in one of the boats we are discussing here. Traveling between Caribbean islands, our go-no go for the LH was 6' seas or higher, and sometimes I even got that wrong by a few feet. (never in my favor)

As to KK's, been on a 48, and it would do well, but for headroom. I could live with it, but uncomfortable. Few 3SR KK48's. My LH has more headroom in the saloon. Forget about the LH engine "room" however. Will check out the O.A's on line.

And N47 suggests the N55, which can do everything, but looks quite tall. And draws more than I would care for... Just the same, I could probably live with the N55 negatives. Some friends of mine recently sold their N55, so I will see what they have to say about it.

Yes most Nordy's our tall as is our 47'. But to the honest with their deep keel they don't blow around a lot I've been in some pretty good winds and never had a problem. We have electric bow and stern thrusters. Most 55's have hydraulic thrusters which you can run for as long as you like. Yes the draft is setback, but we deal just fine.
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions: First off, Hi to Bay Pelican; we met in Rodney Bay in '10 and I think the wives got together for one of their liquid lunches.
Yes, coming from a LH, I like the idea of somewhat overbuilt. Last time we crossed the Mona, we waited a week for a decent window and still got slammed around. Bad enough in a LH, not sure what it would have been like in one of the boats we are discussing here. Traveling between Caribbean islands, our go-no go for the LH was 6' seas or higher, and sometimes I even got that wrong by a few feet. (never in my favor)
As to KK's, been on a 48, and it would do well, but for headroom. I could live with it, but uncomfortable. Few 3SR KK48's. My LH has more headroom in the saloon. Forget about the LH engine "room" however. Will check out the O.A's on line.
And N47 suggests the N55, which can do everything, but looks quite tall. And draws more than I would care for... Just the same, I could probably live with the N55 negatives. Some friends of mine recently sold their N55, so I will see what they have to say about it.
Nordhavn's are going to be borderline at best on draft and aren't generally going to meet the requirements of air draft for the loop without a hydraulic hinged mast which some may have, but I haven't seen on Nordhavn's.
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thanks, I particularly like the layout on the 55, with the captains quarters and head up.
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thanks, I particularly like the layout on the 55, with the captains quarters and head up.

Yes, that's one of the nice features of the 55, you don't have to go down below to goto the bathroom when on watch.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:32 PM   #27
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There was a used Sea Spirit 60 for sale a while back that was in your price range.

Love that boat.

You seem ready to spend a significant amount. Have you considered a custom build of a slightly smaller vessel?

Charles Neville or Seaton come to mind. They might be able to modify a stock design to accommodate your height.
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really surprised that those lists don't include good wide access to foredeck, good sightlines to bow when seated and aft for docking.
Don't think those lists were considered complete. Sightlines are important and to us access to bow and some form of bow seating was at least on our desired list.
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Can anyone adress the headroom issue in the various brands this gentleman is inquiring about? I belive this is a deciding factor for him.
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Can anyone adress the headroom issue in the various brands this gentleman is inquiring about? I belive this is a deciding factor for him.

Nordhavn's have excellent headroom, not sure about the others though.
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Draft has been mentioned, and I'd give that close consideration since your plans are all what I would consider coastal cruising. Our Grand Banks draws just under 4' and can go pretty much anywhere including the ICW and all the canal systems (air draft is low enough too). In contrast, our Nordhavn draws just under 7'. That rules out parts of the ICW, and significant parts of the canal system (probably the best parts), and the air draft precludes the canals (great loop) without modifying the stack to hinge down.

We have used the Grand Banks for coastal cruising like you plan, and have run through the canals, ICW, and coast from Canada to the Bahamas. 95% of the time we run at displacement speed, but being able to wail on occasion is really handy. I concur with others that at slower speeds, we get the same fuel mileage as comparably sized displacement boats.

If I were going to continue with only coastal cruising, I would definitely stay with the Grand Banks to gain the extra flexibility afforded by small draft, both water and air.

By the way, my Grand Banks is for sale, hint, hint, hint.
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:06 AM   #32
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IMO people often choose boats designed for the image of themselves they wish to portray rather than what they actually do. The macho button seems easily pushed when marketing " battle wagons" to sport fish buyers and the rugged passage maker button equally easily pushed to folks rarely venturing out of sight of land.

Nordhaves are marketed as ocean crossing vessels and have design features targeted at those requirements.

Coastal cruising and ICW and canal cruising OTOH has different requirements or at least doesn't have the requirements of long offshore passages.

To use the automobile analogy popular here it is possible to shop and take the kids to school in a Porsche but there are alternatives better suited to those purposes..

IMO buy a boat suited to what you actually do vs what you imagine. Given a choice few people seem to ignore weather when crossing to the Bahamas regardless of the type of boat they have. So does it really matter if you have 8' of freeboard on the bow and 6' draft?
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really surprised that those lists don't include good wide access to foredeck, good sightlines to bow when seated and aft for docking.

Indeed. Another would be quick/easy access to side decks for single-handing. And so forth.

My earlier example was a very much shortened version, just to illustrate selection by features versus selection by make/model. My real list is much longer. And if I were shopping for a NEW build... it'd be maybe even ten times longer than that.

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Old 06-22-2014, 09:22 AM   #34
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No one mentioned the Ducks... Full displacement, fuel sipper, tough. Steel, with today's coatings and anti-corrosion systems is a whole new ball game than 20yrs ago. For the money mentioned, that would buy one hell of a Duck, huge with every bell and whistle imaginable. Semi-indestructible.
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DeFevers have very good headroom and a large ER. Have to agree though on the N55. But not for the loop IMHO.

However, if your mission is the loop way too many boats to mention will work. Me - for that purpose (been there) an Eastbay or similar is the choice, but do check out Twisted's GB.
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Get a load of this, notice 6ft 7in headroom.....elegant boat.

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Perhaps I missed it but can somebody please tell me where the OP said anything about cruising the Loop or canal system?

New England to the islands crossing the stream does not sound like the Loop or canals to me.
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Many years offshore sailing and off-and-on living aboard on a 50'+ sailboat, but with our two teen age crew off to college, and me not getting any younger, it is time to join you folks. A trawler looks to fit our plans best, with the wife and me living aboard and the extended family joining us on occasion. Travel will be from NE to Bahamas and Caribbean, with no extended offshore beyond an overnight passage here and there. Meanwhile, multiple stream crossings and the occasional Mona passage to keep things interesting. No need for speed, never had it to miss. But a boat that is somewhat overbuilt, and capable of even more than I intend to encounter, appeals to me. My wife wants a stable platform, both at sea and at anchor. and preferably 3 SR's. 3/4 time on the hook, with extended time off the grid in remote locales.

Side note: I am 6'5"+.

With that preamble, a short example list of used ($1M range) boats would be KK 52 or 58, Nordhavn 55, 57 or maybe even the 62, but fear crossing the 60' barrier would bring on some docking and mooring challenges. Have shied away from the semi-displacement boats, Fleming 55 for example, based on intended use and dislike for high fuel bills, but no strong aversion.

So is that enough info to get the discussion flowing? I would particularly like to hear from folks who have been on more than one of these boats and can compare and contrast. I appreciate your combined experience, since we have no significant power boat experience ourselves, so thanks in advance.
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Then take a look at where fuel prices are likely to go,...and the fuel usage of this vessel.
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Get a load of this, notice 6ft 7in headroom.....elegant boat.

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Good pick, Mule.
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