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Old 09-01-2014, 02:34 PM   #1
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This is sad DUI case on the water.

I'm at a loss for words.

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Old 09-01-2014, 02:50 PM   #2
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So sad to hear about this accident! Makes you wonder if the boat was over capacity and they had proper life jackets for everyone. I believe infants and young children are required it wear PFDs........or at least in Florida.
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So sad to hear about this accident! Makes you wonder if the boat was over capacity and they had proper life jackets for everyone. I believe infants and young children are required it wear PFDs........or at least in Florida.
Yes.They are required here for kids too.I don't know the cut off age.I wear mine because of all the aggressive operators on our lakes.
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Old 09-01-2014, 03:13 PM   #4
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The South Carolina law:

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All boats must have a US Coast Guard approved wearable type PFD for each person on board or being towed. Each PFD must be in good condition, readily available and the proper size for the intended wearer. In addition, boats 16 feet in length or longer must carry a Type IV throwable device. In South Carolina, any person under twelve years of age must wear a US Coast Guard approved Type I, II, III, or V PFD when on board a class “A” (less than 16 ft. long) boat.
I suspect South Carolina only passed this law so Federal law would not apply. It's about as weak as possible and does little to protect children from ignorant (or drunk) adults.

We would think people would learn not to drink and operate boats but it doesn't seem to be happening.
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Fed law for PFD used to be 13 unless mandated by the state. The states all have requirements now so the feds backed out of it.
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Not only is the boat operator at fault (drinking) but I suspect the parents as well had a few. Child endangerment?
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Old 09-01-2014, 03:33 PM   #7
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Not only is the boat operator at fault (drinking) but I suspect the parents as well had a few. Child endangerment?
I'm sure but I doubt that will even come up.
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Fed law for PFD used to be 13 unless mandated by the state. The states all have requirements now so the feds backed out of it.
My point was, the US government allowed the state laws to prevail even though they might be less strict than the federal law.
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Well it's been said that you can't regulate stupid so you have to wonder what effect the laws have in a case like this. Federal or state.

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Old 09-01-2014, 08:10 PM   #10
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Well it's been said that you can't regulate stupid so you have to wonder what effect the laws have in a case like this. Federal or state.

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Not much of a deterrent as we see here. Pretty much all they do is give society the power to lock folks up and protect the rest of us from them.
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South Carolina law requires all children under 12 years of age to wear a U.S. Coast Guard–approved Type I, II, III, or V PFD while on board a Class A (less than 16 feet long) vessel. The life jacket must be fastened and of the proper size for the child.
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An old law enforcement magazine cover quoted someone in saying something like this...

"it's not the severity of punishment that deters crime...it's the inevitability of it that does."

If people think they can get away with something...all too many will.
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You need a license to drive a car but only need a credit score to buy and drive a boat.
You have to fill out 4 pages to rescue an animal at the shelter-- but nothing to have a child.
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You need a license to drive a car but only need a credit score to buy and drive a boat.
You have to fill out 4 pages to rescue an animal at the shelter-- but nothing to have a child.
Licenses don't stop DUIs on the water, on the road or keep airline pilots from drinking.

Most states require boating safety education that overemphasises DUI and not some of the more useful stuff because as I pointed out...it's a bigger issue than "just" licensing or education.
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................. Most states require boating safety education that overemphasises DUI and not some of the more useful stuff because as I pointed out...it's a bigger issue than "just" licensing or education.
I don't think most states require boating safety education. Some do for young boaters but that still leaves millions of older people operating boats without the requirement of any boating education or testing.

Even with required education and testing, if the person being "educated" doesn't agree with or believe the educator, he or she will not learn anything. They just put the correct answers on the test and continue what they were doing before the education. We've seen that on boating forums many times.
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You need a license to drive a car but only need a credit score to buy and drive a boat.
You have to fill out 4 pages to rescue an animal at the shelter-- but nothing to have a child.
That's the truth and that's a shame.
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We know boater education can save lives and reduce accidents and injuries on the water. In the United States, more than 40 states have educational requirements for operating a boat or PWC on state waters. In Canada, all provinces have educational requirements for operating pleasure craft.

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That is misleading because it doesn't apply to all boaters as I mentioned above. In most of these states, boaters born before a certain date are "grandfathered" and not required to pass a boating safety test. In MD, all I needed to operate a boat was a boat. I moved to SC and it was the same requirement - you just need a boat. There's a marina near me that advertises "boats for rent, no experience needed".

A notable exception is Washington, DC where you must carry a certificate of completion of an approved boating safety course regardless of your age and regardless or the requirements in your home state.
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Misleading to you...

This is what I said...which is entirely accurate...

"Most states require boating safety education that overemphasises DUI and not some of the more useful stuff because as I pointed out...it's a bigger issue than "just" licensing or education."

I never said it was worthwhile or comprehensive in material or population.

Even in the states such as NJ where it's very strict...like I said ...it does little to prevent dangerous personality driven issues.
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Misleading to you...

This is what I said...which is entirely accurate...

"Most states require boating safety education that overemphasises DUI and not some of the more useful stuff because as I pointed out...it's a bigger issue than "just" licensing or education."

I never said it was worthwhile or comprehensive in material or population.

Even in the states such as NJ where it's very strict...like I said ...it does little to prevent dangerous personality driven issues.
It's misleading to anyone who takes it at face value and you know it..
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