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Old 04-18-2011, 10:53 PM   #1
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I just moved near the Tennessee river. I have lived in Miami and had power boats and a motor sailer. I want a boat to cruse the river which can take me to Florida and the Great Lakes. I want something something easy on fuel crusing at 5-7 knots, preferbally with sails and decent room to live abord for extended trips, 1-2 months. We have a 21ft Class B motorhome (van conversion) so were used to tight quarters.*

I dont hava lot to spend $20,000 so Im expcting a project boat, I have built a house and am remodeling this one. I have also done some fiberglass work.*

I really think a shallow draft trawler is what we would like. I like the Willard 30. Would most likely be a 70's model at that price.

I know I can get a motor sailboat but we dont like living below water for crusing and no pilot house.

I would like suggestions and comments on my choice or something else.

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Old 04-18-2011, 11:27 PM   #2
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Things to look at: Nimble wanderer, C-DORY. these might be too expensive but maybe not. Albin made a cool 26~27 foot trawler that would fit the bill. None of these except the Nimble have sails. But if you are planning on heading up to the great lakes, there are a few low bridges in Chicago that you will not fit under with a mast.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:12 AM   #3
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Some of the Albins Delux had sails, more interested in heading back to Florida and up to Chattagonaga and Kentucky. There are a lot of large lakes to see. The Tennessee river vally has 625 miles of river and 7309 miles of shoreline. The biggest problem is I can not find any trawlers around here, they all seem to be up north or on the west coast, those in Fla tend to cost more. I have found a couple of project boats up north but I would have to drive up and look and have them transported here. I can find many motor sailboats cheap but I want a Trawler with sails I think every since I saw one at the Miami boate show in 1973. Possibly a Willard.

Here is an Albin with sails but its in Alaska, a little far from Alabama.

http://www.marineclassifiedads.com/s...11/ad1933.html
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We kept our Albin 25 Motorsailor in Maple Bay on Vancouver Island until we sold it in 2009. The buyer drove up from Florida, purchased a trailer in Tacoma, arrived at Maple Bay, sea trialed it, loaded it up, and drove it back to Florida.

Sometimes distance isn't such a big thing I guess.
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Old 04-19-2011, 04:10 AM   #5
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Having a boat with a mast is a huge downer for something like the loop.

Either it has to be on a purpose built boat with tiny mast in a tabernackle or luchet or it is lashed on deck.* UGH!

AS the mast on any boat that sails well will usually be 10+ ft longer than the boat , its a hassle in the many locks.

Leaving it "home" is usually the best solution.

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/boa/2330066857.html (boats)

This is mine , and for sale , If you want a boat that can later run in the blue water.

She came across the pond on her own bottom , and is ready for most any destination, should you wish.






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The Tennessee River is great for cruising but not sailing.* Restricted, twisting channels and undependable wind.* Much of it is sheltered by hills and mountains.* You can spend much time exploring its lakes.* To me Pickwick and Watts Bar are the most beautiful.

Chattanooga is a great cruising stop with most everything including about 50 restaurants within walking distance.* I live a block from the waterfront.* Give me a shout if coming this way.

The Albin 25 with an aft cabin seems a good choice.* Masts are a problem on the canals and in Chicago as well as costing time for bridge openings.


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Old 04-19-2011, 06:21 AM   #7
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Larry,
Welcome to the TN River! What section of the river do you live near? We keep our Monk 36 up in the Chattanooga area. Don's 110% right- power boat is the only way to go on the river system. No winds, surrounded by hills, narrow channels, etc. If you had a sailboat up here or motorsailer, you'd be powering 99.99% of the time. If it were me, in your budget, I'd probably be on the hunt for the older model Mainship 34 trawler- nice lines, usually single screw for fuel efficiency, and good layout for her size. Prices right now are in the mid $20's or so. There are a few such boats on the market right now on the TN River system in that price range.
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Larry,* I** 2nd the Mainship 34 trawler-* a nice size boat for the money.* Very practical design.

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Having a boat with a mast is a huge downer for something like the loop.

Either it has to be on a purpose built boat with tiny mast in a tabernackle or luchet or it is lashed on deck.* UGH!

AS the mast on any boat that sails well will usually be 10+ ft longer than the boat , its a hassle in the many locks.

Leaving it "home" is usually the best solution.

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/boa/2330066857.html (boats)

This is mine , and for sale , If you want a boat that can later run in the blue water.

She came across the pond on her own bottom , and is ready for most any destination, should you wish.







-- Edited by FF on Tuesday 19th of April 2011 04:12:03 AM
Nice but I can find sailboats all day at the price I want to pay, Thank you though.

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Besides Im not looking to run the loop although I may somday but just to do it no.

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Welcome to the TN River! What section of the river do you live near? We keep our Monk 36 up in the Chattanooga area. Don's 110% right- power boat is the only way to go on the river system. No winds, surrounded by hills, narrow channels, etc. If you had a sailboat up here or motorsailer, you'd be powering 99.99% of the time. If it were me, in your budget, I'd probably be on the hunt for the older model Mainship 34 trawler- nice lines, usually single screw for fuel efficiency, and good layout for her size. Prices right now are in the mid $20's or so. There are a few such boats on the market right now on the TN River system in that price range.
*On the bluff overlooking The Jackson county marina. A30 miles by road to Guntersville to the south. 40 miles to Chattagonaga to the north. I realize there is not much sailing but there are the lakes and it would be nice for backup and crusing downwind which I see on the river all the time, depending on which way one is going. There also nice to steady the boat.

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Larry,* I** 2nd the Mainship 34 trawler-* a nice size boat for the money.* Very practical design.

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*Thank you, how does one find boats around here? Cregslist is bare and I have checked many marinas in guntersville. Is there a liat of brokers in the south east?
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I got my used project 34" Californian for 25K, in good running condition, just multiple minor projects... I have seen them for less, and i use less then 4 gal per hour at 7.5 knots
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*Im looking for something in the 0.5gph at 5-7 knots. The Williard will do that. However thats diesel, I guess yours is gas?
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Larry,

The Willard 30 has a 3.5' draft so it's not a good river boat and you'd NOT find one in decent condition for 20K. I had an Albin 25 before the Willard and say that it is a WONDERFUL boat and I highly recommend them but they draw 2'2". With much more room, stability and probably less draft I suggest you look at a Sundowner 30 if you can find one. For an inboard boat in the speed range you specify I can't think of one better. I know a fellow in the Midwest that has one. I'll see if I can connect the two of you** ...if you like. Forget the Nordic Tug 26 as they are more expensive than the Willard.
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Larry- I just sent you a private message here on this site- check your inbox.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:06 PM   #15
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90% of the boats I see on the river and the marinias are either fishing boats (small) or sailboats drawing 4-5ft. I see barges everyday. Acording to what I read aboout the river it is plenty deep enough for 4-5 ft drat boats.The marinas are full of sailboats. I suppose if I wanted to go in the smaller side rivers that would be true though.


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Having a boat with a mast is a huge downer for something like the loop.

Either it has to be on a purpose built boat with tiny mast in a tabernackle or luchet or it is lashed on deck.* UGH!

AS the mast on any boat that sails well will usually be 10+ ft longer than the boat , its a hassle in the many locks.

Leaving it "home" is usually the best solution.

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/boa/2330066857.html (boats)

This is mine , and for sale , If you want a boat that can later run in the blue water.

She came across the pond on her own bottom , and is ready for most any destination, should you wish.







-- Edited by FF on Tuesday 19th of April 2011 04:12:03 AM
Nice but I can find sailboats all day at the price I want to pay, Thank you though.

-- Edited by larrylwill on Tuesday 19th of April 2011 09:33:33 AM

*Then don't ask for our opinion and just get a sailboat.

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*I asked for opinions yes, but I didnt *say I didnt have one of my own, and everyone didn't critize the mast. I do not intend to go under short bridges and have no plans to run the loop. So the mast is moot.

As I said earlier I do not want a sail boat, Im just saying there plentiful around here. You must have missed that.

*"I can get a motor sailboat but we dont like living below water for crusing and no pilot house."

I may or may not look*for one with a sail, thats why I asked for opinions.

However:

"Then don't ask for our opinion and just get a sailboat."

Thank you for the snide remark, Im sure you think I deserved that. Had a bad day or are you always that way?
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Hi Larry,

Don't remember Fotoman sling'in stit before but I agree it was uncalled for.

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Go to our home page and click on the YachtWorld link. The only time I had a sail boat was in San Diego where there was no place to go so I just sailed around Mission Bay racing other sailboats. This link is a "sticky" so it's always there. Have fun.
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I have been searching yachtworld but so far all thats available within 500 miles are sailboats, and let me say again, I do not want a sailboat.
If I have to settle for a sailboat I would like a shoal draft and it would be nice if I could reduce the mast and add smaller sails. I will keep looking for a small trawler, 2nd choice would be a motor cruiser with small engine or blown single engine and add a 20-30hp diesel.

thank you.
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"Im looking for something in the 0.5gph at 5-7 knots. "

Its the Albin or nothing but a converted sail hull.

The power boat assembilers create live on , rather than live in boats for the increased volume.

BUT ,,the cost (in any size) is efficiency. 1/2 gph at 4-5K can be done , in a 20 ft size ,7K, not with current diesel tech.

Do you want a gas or diesel?

The gas will be 40% higher fuel bills but perhaps 1/3 the overall cost of ownership if maint is included.
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