Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-31-2014, 07:19 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
City: Houma, Louisiana
Country: USA
Vessel Name: M/V LUNASEA
Vessel Model: 45ft Bluewater Coastal
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 405
Replacing bilge pumps

Going to replace all pumps on board. Looking at the Rule Fully Automatic Series. This is the one that comes on an senses for water every 2 minutes then goes off if water is not found. Will this type pump put a drain on the battery system? Has anyone used this type ?
__________________
Advertisement

kartracer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2014, 07:26 PM   #2
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Replacing bilge pumps

I've had these in small CC's, they're junk. A good float switch (Ultra) with a good pump (I prefer whale) is the best most reliable system.
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?...229&id=2010625
__________________

__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2014, 07:44 PM   #3
Guru
 
SCOTTEDAVIS's Avatar
 
City: Vero Beach, FL.
Country: US
Vessel Name: FIREFLY
Vessel Model: Pilgrim 40
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 913
Quote:
Originally Posted by N4712 View Post
I've had these in small CC's, they're junk. A good float switch (Ultra) with a good pump (I prefer whale) is the best most reliable system.
Whale Orca 3000 Electric Bilge Pump


Yep!!

Do they even make those POS pumps anymore??? Junk and yes they use power every time they switch on (unless you get the gas powered ones for more money)
SCOTTEDAVIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2014, 07:45 PM   #4
Guru
 
caltexflanc's Avatar
 
City: North Carolina for now
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Small Incentive
Vessel Model: Boston Whaler 130 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,785
Quote:
Originally Posted by N4712 View Post
I've had these in small CC's, they're junk. A good float switch (Ultra) with a good pump (I prefer whale) is the best most reliable system.
Whale Orca 3000 Electric Bilge Pump
A big X2 on that! Just what he says, though the big non-automatic Rules are very good as well.
__________________
George

"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
caltexflanc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2014, 08:01 PM   #5
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
A big X2 on that! Just what he says, though the big non-automatic Rules are very good as well.

Yes rules are great too. We actually just replaced our main bilge pump (jabsco diaphragm) with a gulper, and run whales in all my little boats.
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2014, 09:52 PM   #6
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,707
I like my Jabsco Water Puppy and all the others of that rotary vane in bronze type. Had one in my boat on Juneau in 1972 and it's my main bilge pump now. I also have an electric Whale diaphragm type that is very dependable but of low output. I have a dedicated bilge pump only for my Lazerette. It's actually an oil changing pump rigged as a bilge pump. And I have a big Rule type pump just in front of the engine. Only the Water Puppy is wired automatic and uses a typical foot style switch. I should probably wire the big pump for automatic too as those foot switches aren't very dependable ... I hear.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 10:07 AM   #7
Guru
 
siestakey's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,271
Send a message via Skype™ to siestakey
I was going to start another thread but found this one

I have 3 bilge pumps in my boat I just replaced one with The Whale Supersubup much lower keep my bilge much dryer

the others now do not run at all because this picks

it has been in about 3 months I am about to replace the others and was thinking of putting the same in I have 3 bilge pumps in all

Whale SuperSub Smart IC 1100 Automatic Bilge Pump
siestakey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 10:38 AM   #8
Guru
 
caltexflanc's Avatar
 
City: North Carolina for now
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Small Incentive
Vessel Model: Boston Whaler 130 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,785
Quote:
Originally Posted by siestakey View Post
I was going to start another thread but found this one

I have 3 bilge pumps in my boat I just replaced one with The Whale Supersubup much lower keep my bilge much dryer

the others now do not run at all because this picks

it has been in about 3 months I am about to replace the others and was thinking of putting the same in I have 3 bilge pumps in all

Whale SuperSub Smart IC 1100 Automatic Bilge Pump
Those are nice pumps, I installed one (as an addition, not a replacement) in a tight spot that was not draining well. However, in my opinion 1100 is way too small for a boat your size, advise 2000gph with at least on large capacity (say 3700) high water back-up.
__________________
George

"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
caltexflanc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 10:49 AM   #9
Guru
 
siestakey's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,271
Send a message via Skype™ to siestakey
Geroge

Thanks I may play with some creative ideas

if I put 2 more of these in and next to 2 of them I have plenty of room for one like this

Rule 4000 Electronic Automatic Bilge Pump

or this

Whale Orca 3000 Electric Bilge Pump

Thinking the Whale supersub keeping it ultra dry while at the dock and the others for high water back up

thoughts?
siestakey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 02:49 PM   #10
Guru
 
Capt.Bill11's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 5,422
I'd go with the big Rule pump. But not the automatic one. I'd use the regular Rule with an UltraSwitch float switch. And as you said mount it up higher than the rest of the pumps as an emergency pump. And install a high water alarm that would go off before the water got high enough to kick on the emergency pump.

Oh, and be sure to use nice large diameter wire for the pump so it gets good strong voltage to it.
Capt.Bill11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 02:58 PM   #11
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar


 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,494
I tried one of the Rule pumps that turn on briefly every few minutes. It was reliable and didn't seem to cause much drain on the battery. It was in a small boat and I could hear it each time it started. For that reason, I replaced it with a pump and float switch.


On my current boat I have one of the new style Rule automatic pumps that has a magic water sensor, no moving parts. I think it is a flux gate capacitor that senses the water. Anyway it has worked fine for a couple of years now.
__________________
Parks Masterson
www.hopkins-carter.com
HopCar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 04:13 PM   #12
Guru
 
siestakey's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,271
Send a message via Skype™ to siestakey
When I bought the boat the alarm was right at the middle pump at would go off with every wave or when cruising

I moved it right next to the high pump near the galley
siestakey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 04:28 PM   #13
Guru
 
mbevins's Avatar
 
City: Windsor
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Keeper IV
Vessel Model: 44 Viking ACMY
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,305
I was just introduced to the whale supersub by the yard doing some work for me. They're going to install one down in the bow. (I sit bow low at the dock. ) The current pump can't get low enough so there is always water there. Drives me crazy. We are going to leave the existing Rule in place as well. I think I'm going to love this thing.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Trawler
__________________
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

mbevins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2014, 08:30 PM   #14
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by kartracer View Post
Going to replace all pumps on board. Looking at the Rule Fully Automatic Series. This is the one that comes on an senses for water every 2 minutes then goes off if water is not found. Will this type pump put a drain on the battery system? Has anyone used this type ?
Yes these pumps put a small drain on the battery system. Not too bad if you're plugged into shore power but if you're out of the water with non shorepower it could be a problem.

I have heard nothing but bad reviews of these pumps.

Unless you are "upgrading", the easiest thing to do is replace what you have with identical pumps. You can just insert the pump into the base, hook up the hose and wires. No drilling new holes and sealing the old ones.

Sometimes you can find a higher capacity pump that uses the same base and hose.
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2014, 09:45 AM   #15
Dauntless Award
 
Wxx3's Avatar
 
City: New York, NY
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,312
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.Bill11 View Post
I'd go with the big Rule pump. But not the automatic one. I'd use the regular Rule with an UltraSwitch float switch. And as you said mount it up higher than the rest of the pumps as an emergency pump. And install a high water alarm that would go off before the water got high enough to kick on the emergency pump.

Oh, and be sure to use nice large diameter wire for the pump so it gets good strong voltage to it.
Now this is advice I can use.

I really like the idea of a high volume pump above the normal pump, with a different alarm.

That would advert disaster when someone, who shall remain nameless, turns off the bilge pumps inadvertently, until three feet of water had collected.
__________________
M/Y Dauntless, New York
a Kadey Krogen 42 Currently https://share.delorme.com/dauntless
Blog: https://dauntlessatsea.com
Find us: https://share.delorme.com/dauntless
Wxx3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2014, 09:55 AM   #16
Guru
 
Forkliftt's Avatar
 
City: Biloxi Mississippi
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Patricia Louise II
Vessel Model: 1983 42' Present Sundeck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,433
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopCar View Post
I tried one of the Rule pumps that turn on briefly every few minutes. It was reliable and didn't seem to cause much drain on the battery. It was in a small boat and I could hear it each time it started. For that reason, I replaced it with a pump and float switch.


On my current boat I have one of the new style Rule automatic pumps that has a magic water sensor, no moving parts. I think it is a flux gate capacitor that senses the water. Anyway it has worked fine for a couple of years now.

Parks, what is this magic water sensor you speak of? Similar to the Water Witch I'm guessing??


1983 Present 42 Sundeck
Twin Lehman 135's
✌️
__________________
Steve Point Cadet/ Biloxi, Mississippi USA
*Present 42 twin 135 Lehmans
Forkliftt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2014, 10:54 AM   #17
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,871
Some Rules just turn on and sense if there is resistance or not on the impeller.

The computerized sequence is pretty short for sensing , maybe 2-3 min cycle, and one a couple seconds max for seeing if water is present.

While they had issues and some people just don't like them, if you do the math on the total drain on batteries, it is almost imperceptible.
psneeld is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2014, 12:12 PM   #18
Guru
 
jleonard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
The computerized sequence is pretty short for sensing , maybe 2-3 min cycle, and one a couple seconds max for seeing if water is present.

While they had issues and some people just don't like them, if you do the math on the total drain on batteries, it is almost imperceptible.
The noise would drive me crazy at night. I'd never sleep.
__________________
Jay Leonard
Attitude Adjustment
40 Albin
Mystic,Ct. /New Port Richey,Fl
jleonard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2014, 12:24 PM   #19
Guru
 
siestakey's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,271
Send a message via Skype™ to siestakey
jl

me too
siestakey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2014, 02:39 PM   #20
Guru
 
River Cruiser's Avatar
 
City: UMR MM283
Country: US
Vessel Name: Northern Lights II
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,226
I had a Rule automatic pump in the keel, the type that turns on every 2 mins and if no water is present shuts off after a couple seconds. My experience is they are junk, had 2 neither lasted longer than a couple of months. Google the reviews on them and you'll see what I mean, they are warranted but I don't want to replace my bilge pump every couple of months even if they are free. I went to the Rule without the auto-sence switch it's been in for over 4 years with no problem.
__________________

__________________
Ron on Northern Lights II
I don't like making plans for the day because the word "premeditated" gets thrown around in the courtroom.
River Cruiser is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012