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Old 08-26-2019, 07:10 AM   #1
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Replacement Toilet Recommendations?

Looking to replace a pump toilet on a 2003 Mariner Europa 34 with something more up-to-date and user-friendly. With so many different options, I'm interested in recommendations - trying to keep it simple. Thx!
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:28 AM   #2
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"Looking to replace a pump toilet"

With an electric unit or a hand pumped unit.

The simplest manual to live with (least work and hard to clog) is probably the Lavac.

If the hand pump is too much effort , replace it with an Edson aluminum unit....a forever setup.

BEWARE , too much pumping will fill most holding tanks rapidly!

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If you want an electric, take a look at the Raritan Sea Era. I just replaced one of my old PHEII units with one and so far, it's great. No problem chewing up anything a human can output and it's simple to use. Mounting footprint isn't massive either. Only potential downside is that it's pretty noisy.
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"No problem chewing up anything a human can output" - you haven't met my family. thx.
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The Raritan SeaEra Raritan SeaEra Promo Sheet is one of the two top rated macerating electric toilets. The Raritan Marine Elegance Raritan Marine_Elegance Promo.pdf is the other one. If you don't think the pump in the SeaEra is powerful enough, the Elegance can even chew up a tampon (though they don't recommend it). NO toilet can chew up a wet wipe!! Either can be ordered with one of the optional "multi-function" flush panels that makes it possible to conserve holding tank space by adding water to the bowl ahead of solids (if your toilet isn't designed to do that, use a cup from the sink), which leaves the bowl a lot cleaner with less flushing...and also offers "dry" flush.

"No problem chewing up anything a human can output" - you haven't met my family. thx.


What comes out is determined by what goes in, so perhaps your family might consider reviewing their diet.


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I've got the simple push-button control on my Sea Era (re-used the already adequate button and wiring from the old toilet). For solids, I've found the trick is to run it for a second or so, just enough to rinse the contents to the bottom of the bowl. Let it settle for a few seconds, then hit it again. Clears the bowl with noticeably less water than just holding the button and waiting.
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Looking to replace a pump toilet on a 2003 Mariner Europa 34 with something more up-to-date and user-friendly. With so many different options, I'm interested in recommendations - trying to keep it simple. Thx!

What is the original "pump toilet?" Might be easiest to replace with something that uses the same base, mounts, or mount system, if there is such an animal...

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I'm planning on removing my Raritan Crowns this winter, replacing them with Sea Era's. The upgrade is cost-effective using the Crown bowels, and changing to fresh water is attractive, odor-wise. Peggie has been very helpful scoping out this job.
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We have a similar boat and pulled the raritan electric head out and replaced with an AirHead Composting toilet. So glad we did.
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What is the original "pump toilet?" Might be easiest to replace with something that uses the same base, mounts, or mount system, if there is such an animal...-Chris

There's only one electric macerating toilet pump that'll fit on a manual ("pump") toilet base--the Jabsco 29200 "conversion." Jabsco 29200 Electric Toilet Conversion Kit Trust me, you DON'T want one...even Jabsco admits it's a miserable excuse for a toilet. What's worse, it costs about $400. Hopkins Carter has a SeaEra conversion (everything south of the bowl) for $425.



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Third the marine elegance.
Somebody accidentally dropped a dime down it a few weeks ago. It rattled around in there for a while before we realized what it was and fished it out, no damage. What a champ.
I replaced the joker valves when we bought the boat - easy job - and it's been going ever since, taking care of 2 liveaboards for the last 2.5 years. That's gotta be at least 20 years of poops for the casual non-liveaboard, and still going...
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We are a year in to our Raritan Atlantes Freedom with the smart panel. Fantastic.

(anytime you put "boat toilet" and the words "vortex vac" in the same sentence, only good things can happen....)
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We went with a the Raritan Marine Elegance when we replaced. Works great, and we have the 4 way switch for waste volume control. Went into the same footprint, but gave us the elongated bowl for more comfort.
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There's only one electric macerating toilet pump that'll fit on a manual ("pump") toilet base--the Jabsco 29200 "conversion." Jabsco 29200 Electric Toilet Conversion Kit Trust me, you DON'T want one...even Jabsco admits it's a miserable excuse for a toilet. What's worse, it costs about $400. Hopkins Carter has a SeaEra conversion (everything south of the bowl) for $425.

Useful for OP to know.

FWIW, when I said "base, mounts, or mount system" I didn't mean any toilet parts. Our toilet is mounted on a boat manufacturer's riser (base? mount? mount system?) above the sole in the head... and installing anything that doesn't use the same existing mounting holes (in that riser) could be a pain in the a$$.

Or not, given I don't know what kind of bolt pattern other toilet mounting systems use...

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Peggy said it all" the Elegance can even chew up a tampon (though they don't recommend it). NO toilet can chew up a wet wipe!! Either can be ordered with one of the optional "multi-function" flush panels that makes it possible to conserve holding tank space by adding water to the bowl ahead of solids (if your toilet isn't designed to do that, use a cup from the sink), which leaves the bowl a lot cleaner with less flushing...and also offers "dry" flush." We installed a Raritan Elegance based on Peggy's recommendation be certain to have a look, ours has been a joy!
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I'll throw two uninformed cents up on the wall. Full disclosure we spent 14 years with a 30 ft powerboat with a portapotty (and three kids), and now NWD has bestowed upon us two (2!) freshwater electric flush heads. They are Dometic (aka Seaward) 8000 series and I am tickled pink with how they work. They appear to date from 2009 and 2014 respectively, and I have no idea what maintenance has gone into them before I acquired the boat last year. We have a cumulative 27 or 28 nights aboard plus day uses.

Our only head issues have involved repairing the original holding tank and adding another (separating the holding for the forward and aft heads, adding larger vents and cross venting the tanks) but the heads appear to be working fine.
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Our toilet is mounted on a boat manufacturer's riser (base? mount? mount system?) above the sole in the head... and installing anything that doesn't use the same existing mounting holes (in that riser) could be a pain in the a$$.

Toilets on risers are pretty common...and it's actually pretty easy to drill new mounting bolt holes. The new toilet covers at least half the original holes, a little wood or fiberglass filler fills the one or two that are exposed...and believe it or not the right shade of white nail polish renders 'em invisible in a white sole. One of those pens that covers scratches in hardwood floors and/or furniture works on wood.



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Marine Elegance here also-replaced the original Vacuflush. Much happier!
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Folks that don't want to use flush water to remove "skid marks" might consider spraying the dry bowl with PAM.
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