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Old 03-17-2016, 09:22 PM   #1
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Renaming The Boat And Shadows

We are replacing the current boat name - Bagheera, with our own name - Sonas.

The yard has told us that they have removed some of the lettering and that there is some shadowing that could be diminished by buffing and re-waxing. But that the shadowing may very well come back later.

Their recommendation is that they sand the stern back and paint it, matching the gelcoat color. Then apply the new name.

I am a bit wary here. This will be the only part of the boat that is painted. And I feel that once you paint you will have to keep painting. Plus it is quite expensive (1600 before the actual name application).

Has anyone dealt with this?

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Old 03-17-2016, 09:33 PM   #2
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I would either buff rewax and deal with it down the road if your not happy with it, or spay gelcoat and buff it.

I prefer paint, but would rather have all gelcoat than a mix of paint and gelcoat.

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Do your new name and graphics sufficiently cover the footprint of the remaining shadow? If so, repainting may not be needed. I'm with OCD...give it a try and see how it looks. It can easily be changed at your convenience down the road.

If money's no object, disregard everything I just said.
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Old 03-17-2016, 09:45 PM   #4
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Do your new name and graphics sufficiently cover the footprint of the remaining shadow? If so, repainting may not be needed. I'm with OCD...give it a try and see how it looks. It can easily be changed at your convenience down the road.

If money's no object, disregard everything I just said.
BAGHEERA vs SONAS.

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Just add some fancy graphics! I'm sure healhustler could help if you need a creative nudge.
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We ran into this with our current boat. The boat was name Sally Marie and had a simply atrocious graphic of a mermaid on either side of the bow. The boat was a SoCal boat that was 5 years old so when I removed the graphics and vinyl lettering, there was significant ghosting on the bow where the graphic was and the sides of the hull where the name was.

The gelcoat was very oxidized and I paid someone to compound, buff, and wax it. I then spent additional time going over the areas where the ghosting was. I placed the current name "Legacy" over where the prior name was and the ghosting really became very hard to see. The ghosting of the mermaid graphic can still be seen under the right lighting conditions. In short, it hasn't been an issue.

What was/is an issue is that the name was also put on the either side of the boom. The ghosting in the anodized boom is such that no amount of work with metal polishing compound has been able to eliminate it. But once again, it is hard to notice since I put the current name in the same spot.

I would compound, buff and wax, and then apply the new name. I don't think it will be a problem. If it is down the road, then you can always remove the vinyl lettering have it painted, then put new lettering on. Lettering is cheap.
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You could always put something on the transom or swimstep to distract the eye from the ghosting.
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Al-is that something you got from Parks' store? If so I want one!
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I would go with compounding and buffing initially. On my boat the gelcoat was slightly raised after the vinyl from the previous name was removed due to buffing for many years over the old name. But I really don't notice it now.

If you make SONAS lettering in a larger font it could well cover the footprint of the old name.
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Folks we are going with hand applied 24ct gold leaf, not vinyl.

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You could always put something on the transom or swimstep to distract the eye from the ghosting.
Al,

If you had one of those vehicle wrap guys make one that looked like you had a loaded swim platform, I'll bet there would be lots of rubbernecking...
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Folks we are going with hand applied 24ct gold leaf, not vinyl.

(I know, I know)
Why not add a filigree on each end of the new boat name to add a little length... Might take a little extra gold though.

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Sand and respray with gelcoat. Not sure I would want to apply anything to paint that hasn't had a month to cure. Gelcoat will be cured very quickly.

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Old 03-18-2016, 09:42 AM   #14
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Why not add a filigree on each end of the new boat name to add a little length... Might take a little extra gold though.

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We are going to add a shamrock to one side.

Just spoke with the guy who is doing the name (separate from the yard). He advised not to paint. To let him sand the whole transome back paying special attention to the old letter spots, apply the name and put multiple coats of polyurethane on top of the complete transom.
Because the "shadowing" is actually an inverse shadow (brighter gelcoat because it has been protected from the sun), he believe eventually the sun will make any difference immaterial.

So we will see.
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And an update. The yard just called.

Their paint guy spoke to my sign guy and they came up with a "bundled cost" of taking the transom right back and painting it before the name goes on. With the aim of "sending me out very happy with the end product."

So painting it it is.
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Graphic, the final will be a bit thicker with a black outline. With a green shamrock top right.
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Very nice. I can see why you have a concern about the shadowing.
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You could always put something on the transom or swimstep to distract the eye from the ghosting.
Hey look Ethel mermaids are true!!!!!!
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Not to superstitious or anything, but:


May I suggest you follow the below to "de-name" your vessel and to "re-name" your vessel. This is a very very important part of your boat. Just say'in


Renaming Your Boat - BoatSafe.com
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This is the one we were going to follow!

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