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Old 07-01-2016, 07:47 PM   #61
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You veteran TFers have the uncanny ability to see things that others don't. I'm intrigued by this steel boat, I don't know why she reminds me of s gypsy wagon, but does. Your thoughts?

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Old 07-01-2016, 08:55 PM   #62
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You veteran TFers have the uncanny ability to see things that others don't. I'm intrigued by this steel boat, I don't know why she reminds me of s gypsy wagon, but does. Your thoughts?

http://www.curtisstokes.net/pdf/nort...r-periploi.pdf
My first question would be is how old are the photos in the ad? If they are more than a few years old I would request a new set of photos from the listing broker before I would invest any more time investigating this vessel. If you do decide to move forward I recommend that you have the hull x-rayed to determine if there are any thin spots.
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:29 PM   #63
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You veteran TFers have the uncanny ability to see things that others don't. I'm intrigued by this steel boat, I don't know why she reminds me of s gypsy wagon, but does. Your thoughts?

http://www.curtisstokes.net/pdf/nort...r-periploi.pdf
What is represented in the ad seems like really a lot of boat for that money and well worth being intrigued about. I really like it. If I was as close as you are I would be in the truck in the morning for sure to check it out. Very thorough visual and audio gauge on the hull would be in order and the shape of the hull aft, while hard to see for sure in the shadows in the pictures, seems a bit flatter than I would expect. I would want a good long sea trial with a fresh breeze to see how it acts as several angles. Definitely worth a look in my mind.
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Old 07-02-2016, 05:05 PM   #64
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I'd love to find an aluminum or steel hull trawler! Tough as nails and can last much longer than fiberglass hulls.
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Old 07-02-2016, 05:28 PM   #65
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A rusting steel hull has easier detection and correction than a plastic hull containing rotting wood cores. Steel requires continual maintenance, but can result in fewer serious "uh ohs."
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Old 07-02-2016, 06:10 PM   #66
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Steel, steel, steel. This guy must has been happy with steel.
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Considering it's floating on its lines I'd say he is too
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Fresh water steel boat hulls can last a long time in the Great Lakes. We have two work boats that are close to 80 years old and they don't get much love.
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:49 PM   #69
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I dont go for steel myself but that is some impressive chunk of it.
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"I'd love to find an aluminum or steel hull trawler! Tough as nails and can last much longer than fiberglass hulls."

Early sail hulls like the Bounty are 60-70 years young and will still pass a survey.

The QUALITY of construction is key to any boat longevity.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:20 AM   #71
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Be sure to look under Windows or hatches. My brothers steel sailboat has two holes the size of cars cut into the sides replacing rot. It was all because there were water traps. Water never made it to the bilge.
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Of the steel hulled vessels I've seen advertised in that size range, that is surely one of the most finished and pleasing designs yet. Of course, you can't see everything in photos, but I'd sure think it's worth a visit.
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Old 07-03-2016, 12:45 PM   #73
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The QUALITY of construction is key to any boat longevity.
And the quality of maintenance and upkeep.
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Steel is easy to cut out and rebuild if you are talking on a small scale. I replaced this area because it cracked when it froze. This area is nearly impossible to get to I cleaned it out and I epoxy the far side and rewelded a new piece back in. That is about 35 years of crap!Name:  ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1467577094.193309.jpg
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"The QUALITY of construction is key to any boat longevity."

" And the quality of maintenance and upkeep."

Not really for a 100% GRP hull and deck.

Leaks wont dissolve the hull and deck as it could in steel, wood or Chinese Composite (a thin layer of glass on house plywood).

Crap maint , not putting the engine to bed for a few winters , or not draining thev plumbing will be a big hurt , but are easy to spot and cure.

Hull damage usually takes skilled labor , to find and to repair big time or $$$$..
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"The QUALITY of construction is key to any boat longevity."

" And the quality of maintenance and upkeep."

Not really for a 100% GRP hull and deck.

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I just want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting your response. Are you arguing that maintenance and upkeep are not important to a GRP hull and deck?
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I just want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting your response. Are you arguing that maintenance and upkeep are not important to a GRP hull and deck?
I think what FF was saying, and he has made this point before so I have thought it out more than once.....is that well made boats up front suffer less from lack of maintenance than lesser ones for awhile.

I agree.

But eventually maintenance is the great equalizer.
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I think what FF was saying, and he has made this point before so I have thought it out more than once.....is that well made boats up front suffer less from lack of maintenance than lesser ones for awhile.

I agree.

But eventually maintenance is the great equalizer.
I don't think anyone would argue that being well made is important. There are two elements. 1. Construction quality and 2. maintenance and upkeep.
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I think all he is saying is better build up front means the boat can tolerate less maintenance for longer....not "no maintenance" forever....
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I think all he is saying is better build up front means the boat can tolerate less maintenance for longer....not "no maintenance" forever....
No argument there. Poor maintenance has destroyed some incredibly well built boats though. There are some Feadship's that have needed major rebuilds of hulls. Not many, but a few.
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