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Old 09-23-2013, 03:43 PM   #141
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Interesting observation from a fellow who has owned at least 2 of these vessels I believe. I'll keep that in mind.

Notice on their video 'How it Works', one only needs two good stringers to mount the gyro unit to, and those existed for engine mounting in the original vessel design. I would retain 2 such 'main frame stringers' to provide vessel rigidity in the fore-to-aft axis.

So the gyro-unit might be placed in the compartment with its electric supply (generator), just ahead of the main engine. Or it might be placed under the aft 'porch' deck.
Watched the video and thought these were amazing... did some VERY quick research and came up with a cost a couple years old of between 40,000 and 100,000 POUNDS STERLING for purchase and installation. (The 40K was for someone buying factory-refurb directly from Seakeeper; not a deal that seemed available to everyone.) Can't say whether it's 'keeping it simple' but definitely not keeping it cheap.

Anything good or bad about seakeeper gyros?

Still, for either dreamers or those with unlimited resources...
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Old 09-30-2013, 09:02 AM   #142
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Got to spend only a very short time (2hrs) at TrawlerFest in Balt this past week, but I did pick up a flyer on another brand gyro unit from Australia,....Sea Gyro.

I ask rather quickly, what unit might be suggested for a 40 footer weighing about 22,000 lbs and was told the SG 5K which listed ex-factory at 30K.

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Old 09-30-2013, 09:25 AM   #143
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Wood for Interior

There is a considerable amount of wood trim in the original Pilgrim vessels. Much of it done in the 'Herreshoff traditional style' of wood trim boarding white flat panels. He would create white flat surfaces for cabin walls, bulkheads, ceilings, cabinetwork, etc, then use stained and varnished woods for all of the millwork trim, that being the corner post, drawer fronts, passageway doors, and so on.


In those days the 'wood trim' was often a structural portion of the interior item, thus the carpentry skills required were even more elaborate. Nowadays the wood trim is of a 'cosmetic additional to the underlying structure. It can still accomplish the same Herreshoff 'effect'', but it is somewhat easier to build.


So it is with the Pilgrim. Consider these few photos in the saloon area....
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The potentially large flat white areas are broken up by strips of wood trim 'blocking' each window area, and boarding each wall surface,....'framing' it so to say. The valences around the window curtains is a nice classic effect. The wood trim pieces on the ceiling harken back to the days of laminated deck support beams. The wood framed saloon windows, and the wood framed skylight, ...all classic looking.
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All of this wood trim can be simply glued onto the PP honeycomb panels that make up the 'cabin box'. These wood trim pieces can be supplied in a pre-cut fashion, either in-house or from a sub-contractor, even an overseas one (Thailand perhaps?). They could be CNC pre-cut pieces, and they could come in a variety of wood types,.....cherry, oak, teak, burl, etc.


These wood trim pieces and fixtures (cabinetry, doors, etc) would not have to be fashioned from homogenous solid woods, but rather could be some of the very high quality veneers (real wood) that are thinly cut to be glued onto the outer surface of lesser expensive wood substrates.

...to be continued
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Old 09-30-2013, 09:37 AM   #144
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Wood Interior (continued)

Most of the fixtures in this vessel are also somewhat easily fabricated, for example:

Kitchen cabinets with 'cane' centers

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Bath cabinet, shower

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Old 10-01-2013, 05:41 AM   #147
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>The wood trim pieces on the ceiling harken back to the days of laminated deck support beams.<

Did you mean the overhead?
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The head is on the main level.

An optional one is in the forepeak.

The stack is the propane locker.
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>The wood trim pieces on the ceiling harken back to the days of laminated deck support beams.<

Did you mean the overhead?
You are correct, I was thinking more of the traditional sailboat where the deck structure is the overhead for the interior.
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The head is on the main level.

An optional one is in the forepeak.
I think having two heads on a vessel that is aimed squarely at one couple usage is just that much extra headache

I would rather like to take that extra space in the forepeak and find a way to make a more 'open/airy' double berth arrangement like many of the other similar size trawlers. I would then make that space of the existing berth (under the helm station) into some nice hanging lockers and drawer lockers. Perhaps even include a vanity along with these lockers/drawers.

I also think this new berth location will isolate it from the bulkhead it was adjacent to that had the generator installed just on the other side.

This might necessitate making the vessel a foot longer, but I will try to resist this increase in length.
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The stack is the propane locker.
I want to have a serious look at 'inductive cooking' as opposed to gas. While I much prefer gas over electric cooktops, I think this relatively new 'inductive cooking tech' has a lot to offer. I wonder what the current draw on these inductive units is?,... and if they could be powered by an inverter??

I myself would seriously consider NOT putting an oven on my vessel.....just don't use one very much at this older age. I can cook most things with the stovetop and microwave. Besides the oven takes up a considerable amount of potential cabinet storage space, boat ovens are relatively expensive, and the exhaust from a flame units contributes to lots of condensation potentials within the interior.
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Beat you to it. We have a combination microwave/convection oven with an induction range stowed below.

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We pull out the range when we want to use it. 15 amps maximum draw.

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We replaced the oven with a dishwasher with range over it and the microwave with a convection oven/ microwave. We don't have a pilgrim though. Don't miss the original oven at all.
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Old 10-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #154
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Beat you to it. We have a combination microwave/convection oven with an induction range stowed below.

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We pull out the range when we want to use it. 15 amps maximum draw.

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That's a nice option. Then the cooktop doesn't even have to occupy counter space when its not in use.

I had recently seen this TV ad for the NuWave unit, and thought one might have either two or even three of these arranged in formation where the normal cooktop unit would be.

Professional - Precise - Safe Efficient - NuWave PIC As Seen on TV

Your 2-burner unit looks even better. What model is it?
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I got to spend a few hours at Trawlerfest in Balt this past week. I wasn't impressed with what I saw in general,....certainly not anything as classic looking as the Pilgrim.

But there was one vessel there that did get a lot of oohs & aahs , particularly from the ladies. It was the fantail stern on a Jay Benford designed vessel.

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.....too bad I didn't get a better shot of the seating area in that stern

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Hello Brian, Did you get to board Nonesuch when you were at Trawlerfest? The reason for asking is we are thinking of making a trip down to see her. We are being told she's a really clean boat. Any info would be appreciated.
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.certainly not anything as classic looking as the Pilgrim.

The Pilgrim stern looks fine , but for a real cruiser the Tug round stern works , the Pilgrim wont.

Those that frequent marinas know how tight many can be.

The ability to effortlessly back against a piling or sea wall , turn the vessel and proceed is not often required, but when it is its a God send.

Form follows function, at least it used to.
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Hello Brian, Did you get to board Nonesuch when you were at Trawlerfest? The reason for asking is we are thinking of making a trip down to see her. We are being told she's a really clean boat. Any info would be appreciated.
Yes I did get aboard her, and yes she was really clean. But I did not do any complete inspection, just a quick look.

BTW, somehow I used the same photo twice in that posting above. here is the one other one I had of the stern
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Thanks Brian, Appreciate the info and if I can ask one more question how dod you find getting aboard from the pier. The boat was build on the Benford 37 sailboat hull with reduced keel. One of the few things I would have issue with is the choice of engine. The boat really doesn't need a 100 Hp turbo Yanmar but still a really nice boat. Thanks!
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.certainly not anything as classic looking as the Pilgrim.

The Pilgrim stern looks fine , but for a real cruiser the Tug round stern works , the Pilgrim wont.

Those that frequent marinas know how tight many can be.

The ability to effortlessly back against a piling or sea wall , turn the vessel and proceed is not often required, but when it is its a God send.

Form follows function, at least it used to.
The Pilgrim HAS a round stern.

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