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Old 01-08-2016, 05:55 PM   #221
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...the meanings and usage of words changes over time...
True, but a change in usage does not automatically change the words true, real, correct or even legal meaning.

I keep waiting to read where some lawyer wins a case or has it thrown out because the opposing side used "then" for "than" or vice versa.

Change of use is often just laziness.
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:04 PM   #222
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:17 PM   #223
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Sedan Cruiser, aka from the text a Long Range Diesel Cruiser....
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:46 PM   #224
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Recreational trawler, hmmmm....
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:50 PM   #225
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Recreational trawler, hmmmm....
I care...I liken this to the "lifeboat exercise" they often use in leadership courses.

So far based on the responses...I have plenty of water in the liferaft for me and my friends and the sharks are happy too.
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:52 PM   #226
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Ran into my blackwater pump-out guy this morning at the boat. He showed interest in the Coot and had a few questions about it. He was surprised at the number of commercial boats in the marina, including trawlers, trollers, etc. He said he had operated a number of fishing vessels. He said the Coot would make a good fishing boat if the saloon was replaced by an open deck. I began to wonder if he wanted me to commit that the Coot was a trawler. Instead, I responded the builder said its design was based on "workboat" practices, and that the original design had a smaller saloon but larger cockpit to be more suitable for fishing.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:00 PM   #227
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For a change of pace, here's some history from someone who is actually an authority, William Garden in his 1977 book "Yacht Designs"
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:06 PM   #228
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I believe trawling was performed with sailing craft at one time. Would that entitle builders of sailing boats the moniker of Trawler? I attach pictures of two working trawlers I passed today. They do not appear to have very much in common with most boats called Recreational trawlers and they are each very different in many respects from the other but are true trawlers. If the builders made similar boats with larger cabins and no trawl equipment would they still be trawlers? Basically any type of boat could be and may have been a trawler. The present use of the word for recreational power boats is a nonsensical misnomer latched on to by builders and sales people mainly because humans are not the least bit logical(ask Mr. Spock). For those who go to a Trawler Fest ask the builders and sales people to define what makes their boat a trawler. The use of the misnomer in this case is amplified by the fact that there is no meaningful definition of a recreational trawler in architectural or functional terms it is pure pie in the sky. Fortunately for builders and marine sales personnel it works well with the public. Not my saying but an old wisdom ( the masses are asses).
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:42 PM   #229
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Spy I guess they do kinda favor each other .Maybe we could get Healhustler to photoshop my aft deck roof off .
Yes sir....I can tear that sucker right off of there. Good looking' boat either way.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:50 PM   #230
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Yes sir....I can tear that sucker right off of there. Good looking' boat either way.
Yes it is. I have always thought Pack Mule's boat is one of the best looking designs on this forum. With or without the cockpit cover. One can hang any name on it one wants but it won't change the fact it's a boat I would be very proud to own and operate up here in the PNW.
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Love the Christmas wreath! Nice touch.
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There's a Nordic Sport Tug in my marina. I always thought someone cut the cabin off. Now I know better. Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2016, 11:55 PM   #233
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very long but thoughtful thread...all I know is I was told it was a trawler when I bought it and of course since then I have seen many with similar attributes that could definitely fit them in together as a "type or style" of pleasure boat. not all participants here fit that mold but they are varied and interesting all. I had a document that I cant find now that described them as boats manufactured in Taiwan in the '70s in fiberglass pieces and then shipped to USA to be completed. There were many "finishing " companies. Mine was completed for Willis Tool Co in Edmunds WA. in 1977 and on the plaque that commemorates this fact it is called a Puget Trawler.
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Old 02-07-2016, 01:53 AM   #234
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Tangler, if what you say is right, then that design goes back further than I thought, and was resurrected here in Aus relatively recently (lie about 2005), as the Clipper 38 Evolution Series. Because it was considered the cockpit could do with more room, they almost immediately lengthened it by nearly a metre to make it the Clipper 40.

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Old 02-07-2016, 02:24 AM   #235
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Used boat adverts I`ve seen take the Clipper 40 back to 2003. I don`t recall a 38 advertised, though clearly they exist. The LOA of the 40 is said to be 40ft 6", bowsprit to swim platform. Some early examples have twin Cummins. Singles may have bowthruster only or thrusters both ends.
The Clipper resemblance to Tangler`s handsome 38C&L Puget Trawler is uncanny. I guess "trawler" design is trawler design, the changes seem to come more in fitout than hull and cabin, though aluminium window frames replacing wood is a huge plus.
Were I to update on the IG36 I would happily buy the same boat newer and better fitted out, a role nicely filled by the Clipper, which best I can tell is the MT40 in USA.
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:49 AM   #236
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Yes, well 2005 was a bit of a guess on my part. I also would be (have been) over the moon with a Clipper 40. Not to be now, but one can only dream, I guess.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:37 AM   #237
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For a change of pace, here's some history from someone who is actually an authority, William Garden in his 1977 book "Yacht Designs"
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Old 02-10-2016, 09:46 PM   #238
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Good news everyone - the world has evolved and many (most) of us do indeed have "recreational trawlers":
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Trawler may refer to:

Boats[edit]
  • Fishing trawler, used for commercial fishing
  • Naval trawler, a converted trawler, or a boat built in that style, used for naval purposes
  • Recreational trawler, a pleasure boat built trawler-style
Interestingly, that disambiguation page was last updated more than a year ago. Just think of all the keystrokes that could have been saved if this knowledge had been widely available.

I looked this up today because I always thought of a trawler as a fishing boat and that's what Google said it was..... a fishing boat.

I've seen some mighty fine 'fishing' boats on here.
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I looked this up today because I always thought of a trawler as a fishing boat and that's what Google said it was..... a fishing boat.

I've seen some mighty fine 'fishing' boats on here.
AGREE
The only trouble with that recreational trawler definition is that it depends on a trawler style. A trawler is a boat that trawls nets be it a sail craft an OB motor driven boat or a flat bottomed aluminum boat. Since there is no real definable thing as a trawler style and it could be any style we come back to any boat you want to call a trawler is one since you can not disprove it by matching to a specific definition. The term is a misnomer and somewhat of a nonsense description and will probably always be until it is specifically defined. Needless to say it is here to stay because it fills a need. I for one would love to have this forum make a real stab at defining a Recreational Trawler or is it impossible?
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