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Old 04-22-2016, 12:34 AM   #41
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When I bought my home in 2005, there were ADT stickers on the doors and windows and a sign in the yard. From then to 2014 we had no break ins.

In2014 we were planning a long cruise so we actually signed up with ADT, had the system updated and began paying $45 per month monitoring fee. From then to now we have had no break ins.

What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Well maybe that our house is in a relatively safe neighborhood.

Yes - it's more about the neighborhood.

We also haven't had a break in in the 20 years we've owned the house... - and we have never locked the doors.
I don't worry about the boat either. The keys are in the ignition if anyone wants to take it for a spin. So far, there have been no takers.

If I lived in a place where people could not be trusted, I'd invest in a new neighborhood, rather than alarms, locks and weapons.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:42 AM   #42
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Yes - it's more about the neighborhood.

We also haven't had a break in in the 20 years we've owned the house... - and we have never locked the doors.
I don't worry about the boat either. The keys are in the ignition if anyone wants to take it for a spin. So far, there have been no takers.

If I lived in a place where people could not be trusted, I'd invest in a new neighborhood, rather than alarms, locks and weapons.
But you live in Australia. You have no crime. In the USA, we have a significant portion of the population that thinks the government should support them and when it doesn't support them to their level of satisfaction, they steal.

In all but the smallest of cities, neighborhoods degrade over time as the more well to do folks move out to newer neighborhoods and the less well to do move in. If you live in a city and stay in your family home into your seventies or eighties, there's a good chance you're now living in the "hood" (US slang for ghetto).

Back to the boat, When we cruise, we sometimes end up in nice marinas, outside of the cities and or with good security systems, self closing gates, card access, even security staff. On the other hand, we will sometimes end up at a city owned marina or dock in the old riverfront section of town.

Here, you had better lock everything that can be locked and remove or cover everything else. It's a shame, but many folks who believe society has been unfair to them look at us as rich and part of their problem because we own a boat. And some don't think it's wrong to try to even things out by transferring some of our wealth to them.

It's going to be pretty hard to rig cameras to cover our boats while we are traveling and of course if they are obvious, the thieves will probably take the cameras as well.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:51 AM   #43
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The rule of thumb for law enforcement in general is..... it is not the punishment that deters crime, it is the inevitability of punishment that does................
You can stop right there, that is the whole problem. In the USA at least, punishment is not inevitable and if there is punishment, it's a long time off. A guy commits a robbery and gets caught by the police. He is released on bail waiting for his court date which may be two or more years in the future. While waiting for his trial, he continues his life of robbery can other crimes.

Two years later he gets a free (to him) lawyer who gets him probation or a suspended sentence. He continues his life of crime. He may be convicted of multiple crimes before he actually gets "punished". Then, he will get paroled a third of the way through his three year sentence.

People in Chicago and Detroit wouldn't be killing each other if they thought punishment was inevitable. They know it's not and even if they do time in prison, it's a badge of honor for people in that society.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:58 AM   #44
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I can stop right there....
We are talking theft and breakins, not all crime.

When at Patrick AFB, a guy told me of how many outboards and other stuff he and others had stolen out of the base marina. Good neighborhoods, high fences and armed security are dismissed when people know there isn't a likelyhood of getting caught because where the marina is on base.

Everywhere else on base where security patrols crisscross and there is video surveilance, no crimes.

I will stick with the criminal psychologists assessment.
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Old 04-22-2016, 09:20 AM   #45
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A local paper "Alleged shooter in Craven Terrace incident out on bail". This is less than 24 hours after the alleged incident. It was in the hood (two blocks from two nice marinas though), not his first "offense" and I will bet dollars for donuts he wasn't home studying for his GED last night. No fear of consequences. In all fairness the marinas have security but when we go there we do too.
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