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FG is OK for commoners but real boats are made of wood.
The common folk just can’t afford the best. It’s always been that way.
And for the commoner cheap to maintain is a must.
 
Bayview yes.
And the’re working on the planking on the boat next to you and her planks are Yellow Cedar. Nose candy
 
" The upside down frames are covered with diagonal layers of thin narrow wood strips set in epoxy."

Cold Molded boats were built up with resorcinol glue before epoxy was used.

The technique was to staple the plywood planks on in layers with monel staples, that did not have to be removed.
Resorcinol glue - Wikipedia



 
FG is OK for commoners but real boats are made of wood.
The common folk just can’t afford the best. It’s always been that way.
And for the commoner cheap to maintain is a must.

Another option is for "commoners" to buy a wood boat so small they can afford it. Hopefully it meets their needs size wise. If it does then they are lucky indeed.

I love wood boats but have a hard enough time keeping up with the maintenance on my FG trawler.

Still unsure if it is a "wood boat" or "wooden boat".
 
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FG is OK for commoners but real boats are made of wood.
The common folk just can’t afford the best. It’s always been that way.
And for the commoner cheap to maintain is a must.


Amen. Wood takes more work and maintenance but that is because its better. I have owned Glass, Wood, Steel, and Glass over Wood. If I were rich, it would always be wood. I am poor so now days its glass.
 
for sound quality and pure enjoyment, phonographs rule! just sayin' :)

I've heard that before and real audio purists can tell the difference between digital vs phonograph. My ears aren't good enough to hear the difference.
 
Aluminum beats ‘em all, no worms or rot to worry about.
 
I, too, love wood trawlers and hope that caring stewards will continue to love and preserve them for their distinct qualities.

Look, too, at early wooden DeFevers made by Lindwall (42'-60'), Oriental Boat Company (38' 2-cabin, 50' 3-cabin & 54' Alaskans), and 46' Alaskans by American Marine (later to become GB). All of the Lindwalls and many of the OBC and AM boats are still in good shape and actively cruising. All are single engine, most are on the West Coast, and they're roomier than GB. These were luxury boats that were first owned by wealthy CEOs and Hollywood. There are some for sale up and down the West Coast, ranging from pristine condition to labor-of-love. Some steel versions of the same designs are also still cruising. Good luck with your quest.
 
So, to the original poster, nobody here has professed previous ownership of either a 36- or 42-foot wooden Grand Banks, the specific boats you are considering. I do.

I bought wood because as a serving US Navy officer at the time, I could not afford more.

Everybody so far has pounded away at the excessive maintenance issues of a wooden hull, but aside from the preventive measures I took, things like spraying borate solutions intended for log cabins inside the hull and the every 18 months haul for bottom repainting (removal of all old paint about once every 12-15 years), I never found my hull maintenance any more difficult than a fiberglass boat because wooden Grand Banks were well built with 1.25 inch thick mahogany strakes and yacal framing. I pulled sample bronze fasteners over the years and never found significant thinning; so the 1972 boat I owned from 1986 to 2015 was not refastened and continues to give its new owner good service.

Now the wooden (plywood) topsides and teak deck were a different animal. I did a bit of rot removal on the cabin in the early years, but it was sound as can be thereafter. The new owner did not want to deal with the decks and so has covered them over.

I find your comment that you are considering the boats for liveaboard purposes interesting. Does this mean you d not intend to run the boat, either "cruising" or just local area use? How many would live aboard? I found the 36 too small and my 42 to be about right for one or two - I did it both ways.

You may well find difficulty in locating a place to moor a liveaboard vessel, and if your insurance company becomes aware of your status, there could be adverse impact on your premiums.

So now that I own a faster, smaller, lift-kept, fiberglass boat, you could ask why I sold the woodie. The perceived advantages of faster, smaller, lift-kept, and fiberglass are your answers. :)
 
GB3642: I have owned three large wooden boats and now own five small ones (kayaks, etc.) The advantages of a wooden boat are: Cheaper initial cost, much better ride in a seaway, warmer because of the insulation properties of wood. The disadvantages, significantly higher maintenance costs, the age of the wooden boat suggests that many of the systems (electrical, plumbing, electronics, etc.) are probably near the end of their useful life. Much harder to find craftsman with the skills to work on them properly. And....if a fiberglass boat is neglected, no big deal, a wooden boat big problem. Wooden boats need constant upkeep to keep it from deterioration. You cannot neglect a wooden boat.
Good luck.
 
Aluminum beats ‘em all, no worms or rot to worry about.

They can corrode badly.
In the past i have been involved in repairs on a 100ft plus vessel
Have seen one in a marina doing the slow dissolve like an aspro with a line of bubbles around the waterline
 
This is a link to a thread here on the TrawlerForum. It shows pictures of rotten wood in fiberglass boats. Yes, fiberglass boats. There is probably more rotten wood in fiberglass boats than in wood boats. It is easier to hide, ignore, procrastinate and defer wood repairs in fiberglass boats. Beware of the hidden wood rot in fiberglass boats. Wood boats may be more honest about the whole thing.

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s3/show-us-your-rot-porn-40078.html
 
Wood GB

I always wanted a Woodie GB 32. In my opinion, probably the prettiest boat ever built. I opted for a glass GB 36 because I found “The” perfect boat that had all of my requirements.
While I was shopping for a woodie, I found a 32 GB in Anacortes for $13,000. Since I was in Florida, that didn’t help much.
Honestly, if I lived in the PNW (I have before) and I found a solid woodie, I’d probably buy it.
1. Learn everything you can about woodies.
2. Get the best surveyor possible and know everything about the boat there is to know.
3. Go for it with your eyes wide open and realistic knowledge and expectations of what owning a woodie is all about.
4. Before you buy, look into insurance. Lots of companies balk at woodies or are very expensive.
 
+1 to a couple of things that have already been said -- neither of which have anything to do with your particular boat. In Marina del Rey (So. Cal), some marinas are not renting slips for a wood boat, and this trend seems to be accelerating. There was just a thread on the Cruisers forum about someone with a beautifully restored sailboat who was denied a guest slip in Redondo Beach due to the boat being wood. I also just discovered when talking to a slip neighbor with a '78 42' GB that he was going to have to go to Long Beach for bottom paint because neither of the yards in Marina del Rey would haul his boat.
 
There is a lot of misunderstanding of wooden boats. There even some scary videos about the costs of wooden boat ownership. However, the video linked on page one didn't phase me, largely because that is me sitting on my 83 year old wooden boat.


The bane of a wooden boat is deck leaks. If you keep the deck tight the boat will not have all that much maintenance. Yes, I repaint my boat every year, but that is because I am a bit anal about how it looks. Besides, a full topsides paint job on my 33' boat takes me less than a day. It takes another day for the trim. Not a big deal. Replacing a plank is not a particularly hard job if you can use basic tools (saws, hand or electric plane, drill and a screw driver). I know because I replaced 6 planks this year. The wood is the least of the expenses. I pay more for paint, particularly bottom paint. If you do the work yourself maintaining a wooden boat isn't particularly expensive, but it does take time.


Probably the biggest problem with a wooden boat will be reselling it. Unless your boat is a classic, it will sit on the market for a LONG time until you drop the price to almost nothing because people are scared of wooden boats (largely through ignorance). Incidentally, my 1936 woody would be worth a lot more if the systems were all original instead of all new in 2011 because my boat is a classic.
 
2 years into wooden boat ownership and I’d agree with the other owners. 40’ fly bridge cruiser built and launched in 1973 on Long Island.
Maintenance is no worse than it was on my previously owned fg boats, but maintenance can not be deferred. Keep it tight and dry on top and maintenance is minimal. We’ve replaced several cabin side planks due to leaks at the windows, oil decks regularly and keep paint on all surfaces otherwise. Oh, and varnish the bright work.

We had to play catch up on maintenance these first two years as PO had been forced to defer. That said we paid a requisite purchase price.
Best smelling, cruising, sounding boat around in my opinion.

But then again, I’m probably crazy because I’m a wooden boat owner...
 

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If you're looking for a wooden boat in the PNW a converted fishing trawler is the way I'd go. Massive seaworthy hulls that have stood the test of time.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/d/warrenton-42-trawler-heavy-built-solid/6913003740.html
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/gig-harbor-1941-custom-converted-seiner/6910754741.html

Thanks for posting those. Very, very, cool. To me these are "real" boats if you know what I mean. Honestly, I could possibly talk myself into the first one, Diligence, if circumstances were right. The second one....76 feet of wooden boat... that is just scary. the first thing I would do with Diligence is invite Nomad Willy over to help me add a flybridge to her. That should work out REALLY well for me. :)
 
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Thanks for posting those. Very, very, cool. To me these are "real" boats if you know what I mean. Honestly, I could possibly talk myself into the first one, Diligence, if circumstances were right. The second one....76 feet of wooden boat... that is just scary. the first thing I would do with Diligence is invite Nomad Willy over to help me add a flybridge to her. That should work out REALLY well for me. :)


I agree. 76' of any boat would be scary but if I had a 76' wooden boat I think I'd have to start a foundation to support it and it would definitely be non-profit.
 
Grand Banks 42'

I own a Grand Banks woodie (hull #55) built in 1969. I too love the twin Lehman's and the feel of cruising aboard a solidly-built plank-on-frame boat. For me the aesthetics can't be beat and is a major factor in the joy of keeping these vessels up and running. Fiberglass hulls don't interest me, but other materials like steel and aluminum do.

Feel free to private message me if you have any questions about operation, maintenance etc. I'm a former boatwright at the National Maritime Museum. I bring the boat to Nova Scotia for any major work since there are builders there who do outstanding work at a reasonable price - especially considering the exchange rate.
 
I have a wood GB42. I totally soaked the hull in epoxy which preserves the wood and protects it from any harmful worms and wood boring sea life. I will be selling it this fall.
 
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