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Old 12-20-2016, 02:18 AM   #1
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this puts the problems we suffer into perspective

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Old 12-20-2016, 06:03 AM   #2
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I don't think that's going to buff out.
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Sad; you can tell this guy is really suffering from being violently ejected from the race.

Ignorant question: can radar pick up floating shipping containers or do they tend to be too low in the water?
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Sad; you can tell this guy is really suffering from being violently ejected from the race.

Ignorant question: can radar pick up floating shipping containers or do they tend to be too low in the water?
I hate to post it but....it depends.

If enough cross section becomes exposed regularly dnough, sure.

But sea state and how it is floating is important.

Also...not sure how many have fiberglass sides versus metal...that to might affect radar signature.

Funny, I saw all kinds of things floating around during my 20 years of flying low over the ocean .....from pole to pole ....and never saw a container....

Anyone ever come across the statistic of collisions with containers? I thought someone a few years back posted a link to a whole website concerning lost containers at sea.
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We've been told to always sleep feet forward when doing long passages in case of abrupt stops.

We've never seen a floating container although most our ocean miles have been outside the shipping lanes. This was on a beach in the San Blais Islands. No one could tell us how it got there.
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All that money, all the effort and planning and prep and discipline, the super high-end, high-tech boat - it is sad to see. I can't imagine the feeling that your race was brought to an abrupt end by maybe a container full of Chinese sneakers and lawn chairs destined for Walmart. On the other hand it looks like he got incredibly lucky, could have been far worse. Amazing he's still underway (at least at the time of that video) given the damage.
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Old 12-20-2016, 09:24 AM   #8
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I've read a few articles about this issue. There are lots of containers lost at sea, but it's a big place. I recall one article saying that containers have now to be designed to sink. Plenty of other stuff out there which would cause damage. We passed a spherical object, perhaps a buoy of some sort, at sea; thousands of feet of water there so it was not anchored.
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According to gcaptain there was an average of 1679 containers/yr lost at sea for the period 2008 through 2014. The number is increasing as more ships ply the oceans.

Unknown is the sink rate and duration afloat. Containers are metal so if afloat a foot or more should show up on radar. Except in a confused sea state maybe. Last big job I was on we moved about 15,000 containers, specified to be all metal for stacking and storage purposes. None were lost at sea but several were with contents trashed when opened.
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Sounds like he is abandoning ship.

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Anyone ever come across the statistic of collisions with containers? I thought someone a few years back posted a link to a whole website concerning lost containers at sea.
There are a staggering number of containers lost at sea. Reading some of the interviews of TOTE employees and families, amazing how casually they mention regularly losing containers. However, I've never seen one. I don't know anyone personally who has ever seen or encountered one. It simply emphasizes the magnitude of the seas and that relatively, the odds of actually encountering one of the lost containers is very slim. I've read of collisions with containers but even then no one saw the container so difficult to verify.
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The likelihood of them floating near the surface is very small. Empty ones normally sink within hours as they fill with water. The ones that would float for an extended period of time, would have buoyant cargo such as a load of PFDs or life rings. Can't seem to find it, but there was an article on some testing that was done regarding duration of them floating empty and how long it took for loaded ones on average to saturate with sea water and sink.

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Grant Dalton, when he and his crew won the round the world race on Club Med (catamaran), said thank goodness that icebergs only come out during the day. They did the trip in about 62 days and had a 24 hour run of 625 miles and hit speeds of 35 knots. If they had hit something?
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What a scary situation. It appears that there was a second boat that struck a container in this year's Globe. Vendée Globe skipper Kito de Pavant successfully rescued - Practical Boat Owner
What are the odds of that?

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I remember the Hamiltons on Dirona were concerned about striking shipping containers during their ocean crossings. Apparently some float with little exposed above the waterline.
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I would guess statistically, most of us over 60 are more likely to be in trouble from medical reasons, plus all the other shipboard emergencies including lightning strikes etc than hitting a container.
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There probably are not many types of cargo that has positive buoyancy exceeding container negative buoyancy.

Maybe a whole load of Doritos???
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Containers often float with one corner up due to air trapped in the non opening end. I know the new containers are designed to let the air vent out, but there are still many thousands of old containers in circulation.

It seems an Australian pleasure boat is sunk every year due to hitting a container in the Southern Ocean. I'm not so sure you'd see one during the day, with eyes dead ahead, with the usual sea state.
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I would guess statistically, most of us over 60 are more likely to be in trouble from medical reasons, plus all the other shipboard emergencies including lightning strikes etc than hitting a container.
We are younger but often have people aboard who are over 60. Even with all the equipment we have, training, phone access to emergency doctors and more, a serious medical issue is probably my greatest fear in boating and a fire on board would be second.

Stuff happens and I know that, but just don't want it to happen on our boat.
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According to gcaptain there was an average of 1679 containers/yr lost at sea for the period 2008 through 2014. The number is increasing as more ships ply the oceans.

Unknown is the sink rate and duration afloat. Containers are metal so if afloat a foot or more should show up on radar. Except in a confused sea state maybe. Last big job I was on we moved about 15,000 containers, specified to be all metal for stacking and storage purposes. None were lost at sea but several were with contents trashed when opened.


1679 is the total counting in catastrophic losses(sinkings). Majority of those go down with the ship. 546 annually wash overboard and make up the majority of the floaters. Still pretty small compared to total number shipped, roughly 120 million per year.

http://www.worldshipping.org/industr...l_for_Dist.pdf
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