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Old 12-13-2015, 05:12 PM   #1
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Propane Locker

Hi, We have a 34 CHB trawler and need to add a Propane Locker. The current setup isn't to ABYC standards. I would like to mount it in the space in front of the upper helm.
Any thoughts on what product would work best?
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Old 12-13-2015, 05:47 PM   #3
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Given the number of penetrations between the flying bridge console and the lower helm/main cabin on most boats, turning it into a propane locker could be problematical. The locker needs to vent overboard and there must be no means for propane to flow down and into the interior of the boat.

Some boats, like Grand Banks, use one of the flying bridge seat bases as a propane locker. On our boat it's the port seat base. There are no penetrations through the bottom or sides of this space other than the vent overboard out the port side, the propane line itself, and the handle of the manual propane shutoff valve which emerges from the galley overhead below. All of these penetrations along with the mounting hardware for the two propane tanks, are heavily sealed.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:57 PM   #4
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Hi, We have a 34 CHB trawler and need to add a Propane Locker. The current setup isn't to ABYC standards. I would like to mount it in the space in front of the upper helm.
Any thoughts on what product would work best?
Thank you !
You can buy factory made propane lockers and if you install them according to ABYC standards this would be the best plan.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:04 PM   #5
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Wes offers a good suggestion, I think. If you're contemplating installing a stand-alone, properly designed and constructed locker inside the flying bridge console, that could work if the venting requirements are met.

If you are thinking of turning the inside of the console itself into a propane locker, which is how I first read your post, that could be problematical.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:06 PM   #6
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Most Taiwan built trawlers used that space for the propane locker.
There will be one, two or more cable chases taking electrical, mechanical or hydraulic lines from the lower deck to the upper, most often coming up the window mullion, or, as in GBs up a 3" metal pipe in front of the lower helm. You need o be sure those are filled with polysulfide or some other filler that renders them impermeable to propane gas. If you can do that, the next thing to look for is overboard venting of the bottom of the locker, so that any leaking gas will not find its way into the cabin below, eg into an open window or door on the deck below. Then you need a gas line that complies with ABYC, ie no joins after it leaves the propane locker, until it reaches the appliance it feeds. Don't know what your question is about, as my minds eye sees only a gas line and some sealing materials, maybe a vent cover or a drain hose. Others will certainly add.
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On a GB you do not want to be filling the cable chase with anything. The steering cable between the upper and lower helms runs through it and if you want to be able to move your rudders, the chase needs to remain clear and open at the top and bottom. There are also various electrical wires run up around the inside circumference of the chase and these can need replacing, changing or added to as electrical and electcronic components are upgraded or changed out. This makes it pretty important to keep that tube accessible.

I don't know anything aobut the Taiwan boats so have no idea how easy it would be to isolate the interior of the flying bridge console from the cabin below.
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Take a look at Safe Boat Propane Installations
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Hi, I too have a 34 CHB(Marine Trader) and I mounted one of those self contained propane lockers up in the flybridge just where the old propane tank used to be mounted. I've had it surveyed several times since then and each surveyor fell down upon seeing it. They are so used to the usual slap dash propane install on our boats that they have been rendered speechless. Running an overboard discharge was no problem and I replaced the copper line to the stove with a flexible line. We have always had a leak detector since the first summer we owned her.
Make your surveyor's day as well as keeping your family safe and install a correct propane locker.
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Those self contained polyethylene propane lockers are fine. just make sure the drain line is continuous and exits through the side of the hull without any low spots. Too many people fit them under the flying bridge coaming and terminate the drain hose just outside the coaming and above the pilot house side windows.
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Thank you all so far. The current tank is in the Flybridge with a gas sensor/shut off valve and I would prefer to follow the rules and have it in an enclosed locker. Looking to the group for ideas and support.. Where it is makes me nervous as any leaks would bring gas into the cabin or engine space and neither would be good.
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Old 12-13-2015, 09:56 PM   #12
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Trident sells nice propane lockers that will do the job easily. They are not cheap though.
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Its not just the box the bottles are kept in,

there are concerns about window and vent locations below, the bottle could vent into.
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Thank you all so far. The current tank is in the Flybridge with a gas sensor/shut off valve and I would prefer to follow the rules and have it in an enclosed locker. Looking to the group for ideas and support.. Where it is makes me nervous as any leaks would bring gas into the cabin or engine space and neither would be good.
Let me make my post (above) a little more clear. Get out your West Marine catalog and look up "propane locker". Select one that suits your needs and will fit and buy and install it. Your main difficulty will be running the drain hose from the flybridge to just above the waterline.

Make sure you read and understand the ABYC standards or hire an experienced installer.
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Thank you-Propane

Thanks WesK,
I have been researching the locker options and I am familiar with 33CFT requirements. I am hoping someone has used creativity that I may be missing as to the location and feasibilty to make it a less obvious item on deck and I would like insight as to how to run the drain overboard without going through the engine space or on the side decks.
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Mine is built into the boat but it's in the cockpit. That makes it far easier to run the drain line. It's behind the ladder to the flybridge so it doesn't really take up any space.


Don't overlook the possibility of placing it somewhere other than where it is now.
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Thanks WesK,
I have been researching the locker options and I am familiar with 33CFT requirements. I am hoping someone has used creativity that I may be missing as to the location and feasibilty to make it a less obvious item on deck and I would like insight as to how to run the drain overboard without going through the engine space or on the side decks.
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One day not long after we bought the boat I went down into the Vee berth and opened up the storage locker and the smell of propane about knocked me out. The propane bottle was under the flybridge dash and a connection began leaking. The gas went down the chase for the engine controls and wiring, which is also the route the rubber propane hose took to get to the range. I was reworking the flybridge at the time so it was a good time to move the bottle out of the dash. I moved a Todd brand seat that had been facing forward up by the dash to the starboard side. I raised it up enough and cut a hole in the bottom of it to accommodate the bottle. It is directly above the range. I installed the propane hose to go through the flybridge and straight down to the range. Now there is only 5'of hose inside the boat instead of 25'.

Yes I know this is probably not abyc compliant but it is 100 times better than factory. I did have the boat surveyed this year and expected him to write something up about it but he did not say a word about it. He did write me up on the extra propane bottle I had lashed to the rail though.

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Looks like a smart solution to me.
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Thanks WesK,
I have been researching the locker options and I am familiar with 33CFT requirements.
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What are "33CFT" requirements ?
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How about "hanging" or mounting the locker on the outside of the transom, running the hose through to the Galley from there. I haven't read the regs but imagine the locker could simply drain overboard there.
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