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Old 02-08-2015, 12:53 PM   #41
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GEEZ! What's wrong with that? (I guess the grass is really greener out side of Pennsylvania!)
No Codger2, not greener just dull. My husband longs to be on the water and I want to be right by his side.
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:57 PM   #42
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I'm feeling a little disconnect here and have some concern. You speak of working 9 to 5 and house payments but then your price limit on the boat is $25-40,000 and looking at boats in Florida would put your budget through the roof. Meanwhile your goal it to get the boat and travel. I'm a bit concerned for two aspects. First, have you included the time and costs of getting the boat ready for travel? Second, how have you budgeted the costs of living aboard and traveling and not having the 9 to 5 job? The costs only start with the initial purchase. Living gets less expensive only if you don't go anywhere and even then there are the basic marina costs and general maintenance. Have you sat down with someone experienced and budgeted for cruising? Just because the engines survey well initially doesn't mean they will remain that way and one major expense could be devastating. Hopefully you have it all worked out with information we don't have and that's fine if you do. I was just concerned based on what you've shared.
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:58 PM   #43
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What do you want to do 75% of the time with the vessel you acquire?
Well sunchaser eat and sleep and the other 25% take the boat out. Would be nice if we could take our house out, but we can't find a balloon big enough to lift it.
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I'm feeling a little disconnect here and have some concern. You speak of working 9 to 5 and house payments but then your price limit on the boat is $25-40,000 and looking at boats in Florida would put your budget through the roof. Meanwhile your goal it to get the boat and travel. I'm a bit concerned for two aspects. First, have you included the time and costs of getting the boat ready for travel? Second, how have you budgeted the costs of living aboard and traveling and not having the 9 to 5 job? The costs only start with the initial purchase. Living gets less expensive only if you don't go anywhere and even then there are the basic marina costs and general maintenance. Have you sat down with someone experienced and budgeted for cruising? Just because the engines survey well initially doesn't mean they will remain that way and one major expense could be devastating. Hopefully you have it all worked out with information we don't have and that's fine if you do. I was just concerned based on what you've shared.
Thanks for your concern BandB, we have take a lot of the expenses into account and run figures by each other and a friend of my husband's who has a captain's license and has quite a bit of knowledge when it comes to boating and boats.
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:03 PM   #45
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Mr. k. Make/brand of vessel? This will have a bearing (no pun intended...OK, sort of a pun intended-lower rudder bearing....) on how it is constructed. Could be very straightforward and cheap OR complicated and $$$$$.
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:18 PM   #46
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Katsailing. WRT the rudder shoe. Hard to tell from the photo. Get an honest shipwright to get an estimate. Also, with all boats of this age, check the through hulls. By example I looked at a KK42 on the hard with a broker and a shipwright...the SW found a through-hull of concern and the broker questioned the interpretation. SW told the broker to put his finger in and feel the pitting. These sorts of things should be routinely examined when on the hard.


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Old 02-08-2015, 01:45 PM   #47
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:51 PM   #48
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No Art sorry not a Galaxy-Girl! LOL right back.
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:54 PM   #49
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Mr. k. Make/brand of vessel? This will have a bearing (no pun intended...OK, sort of a pun intended-lower rudder bearing....) on how it is constructed. Could be very straightforward and cheap OR complicated and $$$$$.
Ok RT Firefly, It is a Marine Trader 38.
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Katsailing. WRT the rudder shoe. Hard to tell from the photo. Get an honest shipwright to get an estimate. Also, with all boats of this age, check the through hulls. By example I looked at a KK42 on the hard with a broker and a shipwright...the SW found a through-hull of concern and the broker questioned the interpretation. SW told the broker to put his finger in and feel the pitting. These sorts of things should be routinely examined when on the hard.


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Hi JDCave, we were looking at the boat on the hard. It actually has been on the hard about 8 years. Does that make a difference? Also it is a 1995.
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Those photos are not enough for a decent opinion here. It could be as simple as loose fiberglass which means poorly done or a rusting, failing, MOVING steel core that has to be replaced and is breaking the fiberglass.

I strongly suggest asking around for a GOOD shipwright, getting references, BEFORE you buy. Many S.W. will work with you as a consultant advising you about what needs to be done, prioritize, and advise you as YOU do the work. You then are doing the grunt stuff and learning. The mistakes can be avoided yet the repairs are done properly. The S.W. may also act as a surveyor of sorts since they have dealt with problems, the manner of repair and costs. They also will likely know of good trades people in other fields who can be trusted to not gyp you.
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When you say Marine Trader the first thing that comes to mind for me is extensive rot. Probably that shoe is the VERY least of this boats problems. I dont know your captain friend, but I do know that some of the dumbest and most unitelligent people I do know are Captains. YMMV. Advice is easy to get and invariably worth exactly what you pay for it. Do not buy a boat until you have it surveyed by a competent person, NOT THE SELLERS GUY. Spend the money, it will be the best money you ever spend, especially you !!!!!
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So... How and how well do you know [of] her???
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When you say Marine Trader the first thing that comes to mind for me is extensive rot. Probably that shoe is the VERY least of this boats problems. I dont know your captain friend, but I do know that some of the dumbest and most unitelligent people I do know are Captains. YMMV. Advice is easy to get and invariably worth exactly what you pay for it. Do not buy a boat until you have it surveyed by a competent person, NOT THE SELLERS GUY. Spend the money, it will be the best money you ever spend, especially you !!!!!
kulas44, I agree totally. We haven't bought the boat or put a bid on it yet and yes my husband intends to get it surveyed by an outsider not the broker's person. We have a list of people to call and he is not hesitant in asking questions to get the answers he needs.
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He needs an Awl. And a plastic hammer. If he doesnt know why he needs to find out. LEARN
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:35 PM   #56
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:52 PM   #57
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After restoring a 34 Mainship, nothing mechanical, I started at $34,000 spent beyond 2x that. Buy a boat the work has already been done on or do not do this. Boat parts are measured in in troy ounces. You are better to finance and buy a better boat. Usually in the best case you will need to spend 10%, usually 20% to30%, upon purchase. No property tax, only electric and slip fees to deal with, can be cheap living but can also wipe you out. Be careful, very careful.
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Mr./Ms kat. You may have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince (ess). The one thing that concerns me is your phrase "...but we need to find something soon..." Finding the "right" boat is not an exercise that should be performed under duress. That, coupled with your budget could easily see you make a bad, bad decision. Buying ANY boat is NOT an investment in any way, shape or form. It's a money losing proposition 98% of the time. Mr. cardude 01's suggestion is well founded. Within your budget and it will get you on the water. Do NOT, NEVER, EVER, NO WAY, NO HOW let emotion enter into a boat buying decision. As mentioned by several of my revered colleagues, take your time and look further afield.
I don't know where you heard a boat has to "dry out" every year but stop listening to that person. Do more homework, slow down, chill, enjoy the chase, relax and mostly...



Take your time and enjoy the search; you will look back on it with fond memories.

Look at many different boats. You will learn something from each one, and you will find your requirements will change and become focussed along the way.

Engaging a good buyer's broker could be your best decision in the whole process.
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Kulas is dead right. Just because you are a boat captain or for that matter have been around and know about boats does not make a surveyor or even an expert on boats. I have a surveyor friend who has over 4000 surveys under his belt. He has a nose for dry rot. A good surveyor will not only find things your going to miss, but will be able to give a estimate of cost of repair. It is always cheaper to buy a boat that is in good shape than to pay retail for the materials to repair it. Unless boat repair is your hobby, and the purpose of ownership is a project to entertain yourself with. It has been my experience that it is always much more expensive to fix up a boat than to find one in usable condition, pay the extra money and use it. It's very easy to say I can fix this, I can fix that. A gallon of resin is $50, a gallon of epoxy is $150, Varnish $50 a quart. Bottom paint can run
$300 a gallon. Caulking $10- $22 a tube. It adds up fast, real fast. Buy the best boat you can afford and use it.

















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What do you think would cause the metal shavings in the oil?
A number of things. But it's very rare to see metal shavings on a dip stick unless something catastrophic happened to the engine. And even then you'd have to pull the dip stick right after the engine had stopped before the metal had a chance to drop out of suspension to see much of it I would think.
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