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Old 12-07-2013, 06:31 AM   #81
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>Really the term we all should use is passagemaker.

Dashew doesnt call those tin cans he builds "trawlers".. they are fast pasysage makers.<

I sort of think Passagemaker should be reserved for the one boat in 100 (perhaps 1000?) that can easily cross even a small ocean.

Crossing on the deck of a ship doesnt count.

The Dashew boats are passagemakers , few trawlers OR cats are ocean crossing useful.
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Old 12-07-2013, 10:47 AM   #82
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Cats as Passagemakers

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The one thing that should be noted is that if you factor in the ability to use sail assist, cats can easily become passage makers. They do suffer from load carrying capacity in fuel dept but are much easier to move along under sail assist as well thereby increasing range dramatically. Of course I follow and love the Dashew FPBs and really like Tads Passagemaker concepts as well. I just happen to be a multihull guy and think that you shouldn't rule out the two or three huller just yet..
John from Morganscloud had some interesting article about a perfect sailors motorboat? And almost touched on the multihull possibility. I sent him an email encouraging to follow through on his thoughts... We'll see..
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Crossing on the deck of a ship doesnt count.
It doesn't

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For some people is all about the destinations while for others all about the journey. I for one say You are certainly no less a passage maker for hitching a ride to your destination onboard a freighter Mark.

I have plenty of clients who ship boats to their cruising grounds.. It can actually a be a very economical way to cruise when you consider wear & tear, time away from work & family, fuel costs, etc.

The funny thing is you don't get a gold star or ribbon just because you got to your destination on your own bottom. Sure you get bragging rights, but that's about it, plus you get to experience the adventure.
But why be so hard on the designs out there that aren't equipped to get there on their own?
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If this forum were limited to the traditional "trawler yacht " definition, a full displacement, voyaging yacht, then participation would be a small fraction of what it now is. For most of us, "trawler" has come to mean a cruising yacht vs. a weekendender or marina potato.

From the lively conversations, the members include those with:

1. FD voyagers
2. SD coastal cruisers
3. Planing cruisers
4. Power cats (that'd be me )
5. Power trimarans
6. And a few motor sailors, too ?

Why not put to rest this endless jabber about the definition of a "real" trawler. Obviously we all enjoy getting out on the water, whether to cross oceans, live aboard or never lose sight of land (that'd also be me).

While I'm ready to applaud those who cross oceans on their own bottoms, I'm firmly in the. "Deck cargo " camp. Right now I'm working on an ultra-efficient cruiser that folds small enough to fit in a standard 40' shipping container. For about $2,500 you can ship any whet in the world and fly first class to meet her.
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Reuben, if that project ever goes anywhere I'd love to hear more about it. I for one have absolutely no desire to cross oceans below 30,000 feet.
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Old 12-07-2013, 06:22 PM   #87
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This powercat pulled into our dock at Pensacola yesterday and I got to spend a while talking to the captain about it. It's a very large cat - 82' x 32' constructed of carbon fiber.

It was an amazing vessel.



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Thats a big cat Active. A lot of $$ in Carbon.
I like the top pilothouse configuration but would love to see it with some more modern style plumb or reverse bows... but to each his own right?

We recently added an updated Cabin profile option to our model but I prefer the more aggressive look of the original design.
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What do you think..
I'm too traditional when it comes to trawlers. I can see the appeal of your design but I prefer the 3-4 classic trawler looks.
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This powercat pulled into our dock at Pensacola yesterday

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This is much more practical for a vessel of that size and windage imho



Less prone to damage and more economical to both purchase and run due to its 8lxb gardners

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What do you think..

Definitely this due to the fact that you have a "go fast" look hullshape so the cabin suites that image

Sun flogging in through sloped front is a downer.
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This powercat pulled into our dock at Pensacola yesterday and I got to spend a while talking to the captain about it. It's a very large cat - 82' x 32' constructed of carbon fiber.

It was an amazing vessel.



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I thought you were doing the loop?
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>Of course I follow and love the Dashew FPBs and really like Tads Passagemaker concepts as well. I just happen to be a multihull guy and think that you shouldn't rule out the two or three huller just yet.<

My first ocean worthy boat was a Hedly Nichol Voyager 45 ft of cold molded TRI , built in then British Honduras in 1966.

Multihulls are great , cats for coastal, tris for offshore , but as mostly inshore cruisers they leave a lot to be desired.

Unless huge the live aboard weight load is minor , the hull deck surface area makes them really hard to heat or cool.
24Ft wide slips are not common and the light construction makes it a hassle at times.

On a sea wall sometimes you tie up to a tug , sometimes the tug ties to you!

Much unfun with light construction.

A fine lead sled motor sailor is a great cruiser , BUT most marine motorists want to be UP where the view is , not down below for living style.

Coastal cats do just fine at being UP for a living style , but travel at displacement speeds most of the time (sq rt LWL x .9 to 1.15) at low MPG due to their higher hull surface area , even if kept light.

They can usually match the speed of a Semi Plaining boat at the same fuel burn,, 1MPG or less.

In small anchorages the concept of being wind born , not current born , can add much complexity to the evening anchoring drill.

And in some cruising where wave action does not reflect the wind blowing (like St Barts) there is even more anchoring fun , in order to pitch not roll 24/7.

Since the 60s I have concluded that a small 30-35 ft cat for coastal cruising , IF set to use the shallow draft to take the ground , might be a worthwhile concept .Sail;s could help the fuel burn , but the mast would require bridge opennings.

Offshore world cruise ,,a Try would be fine , if kept in temperate zones , and kept light.
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Jeff,
I thought you were doing the loop?
Yep - Pensacola, Destin, and now anchored in Panama City as we're making our way east.

We picked up 2 Garmin design engineers at Pensacola are have been experimenting with some user-interface ideas for future products and having a regular old geekfest onboard. We'll be crossing to Clearwater and down the coast after Christmas after staying here in Panama City at the municipal marina until then.
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I'm glad you brought up the Domino 20 powercat.

If you really want to have some fun go visit their BlogSpot
DOMINO 20

....and take a look at some of the total distances they have covered from their building place in South America, up thru the Caribbean, up and back down the East Coast of the USA, down Central America, and now holding over in Panama waiting for the next big journey out thru the Pacific.

This is an ocean going powerboat
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Thought I would 'reintoduce' this very interesting blogspot for Domino, particularly now that they are on the move again and heading across the Pacific
DOMINO 20

...and an interesting 'bottom job scheme'
DOMINO 20: FLAMENCO HAULOUT
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I think you naysayers need to go back to the first page of this subject thread and look at a few of the vessels presented there.

Then I would strongly suggest you have a look thru this extensive blog by the owners of Domino, a 20m (65') Tennant powercat that has done a considerable bit long range cruising, including offshore. They are getting ready to do the Pacific now.

DOMINO 20

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By the way, I had suggested that a version of this design could be converted into a 'motorsailer' with the addition of my aft-mast rig.
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Actuly, he still can by simply adding a "hat". Most fly edges are not integral anyway. If he doesn't want a fly bridge, he can use the space inside the fairing fore hidden dink storage and sat tv antenna.
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Couple of good photos of some other multihull vessels
Some other 'sail-assisted' possibilities.
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This powercat pulled into our dock at Pensacola yesterday and I got to spend a while talking to the captain about it. It's a very large cat - 82' x 32' constructed of carbon fiber.

It was an amazing vessel.



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Jeff, is this her or a sister. I saw this one in Marsh Harbor in June '12.

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The captain told me it was a custom build so I'd figure it's the same boat. They've put 30,000 nm on the boat since 2009 so it's not surprising that it would have been in Marsh Harbor and Pensacola within 15 months or so.
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