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Old 02-12-2014, 03:37 PM   #21
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The best solution would be to find a way to make harvesting these fish profitable. Whenever a profit is to be had, we are really good at eradicating a species.
Unfortunately, this is not a new idea and I'm sure some ideas were tried and failed.
From what I understand efforts were made to introduce this really bad smelling fish into restaurants. Apparently, most Americans do not like the smell or taste.

Surely someone can come up with a use for these fish. Not only are they overcrowding and easy to catch, they even jump in your boat and save you the time and trouble.

They are harvesting these - selling them to China.

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I have no idea as to the chemistry or long term effect, but they used it last Spring in a small local river that feeds into Lake Michigan. Dock talk was that it degraded very quickly. No obvious effect such as fish die off.


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Old 02-12-2014, 05:01 PM   #23
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They are harvesting these - selling them to China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/us...pagewanted=all
Thanks for the link. Very informative.

Apparently fed and state Govt's are doing something to help resolve the problem.
We have kicked around the idea of the Great Loop but neither of us are that interested in it. Even if we were, I would figure a way around it.
Some one will eventually start a travel lift company or railway to move boats. Hopefully, if they do, they will be from Great Lakes into the Mississippi and not the other way around.
Re-separation seems to be the only viable interim fix. It wont stop the birds and trailer sailors but it would certainly slow things down a bit.
The figures on the tonnage of fish caught and sold are only part of the story. When they will publish estimates on how much of an effect on the fish population has actually suffered by this we will have more meaningful data.
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Thanks for the link. Very informative.

Apparently fed and state Govt's are doing something to help resolve the problem.
We have kicked around the idea of the Great Loop but neither of us are that interested in it. Even if we were, I would figure a way around it.
Some one will eventually start a travel lift company or railway to move boats. Hopefully, if they do, they will be from Great Lakes into the Mississippi and not the other way around.
Re-separation seems to be the only viable interim fix. It wont stop the birds and trailer sailors but it would certainly slow things down a bit.
The figures on the tonnage of fish caught and sold are only part of the story. When they will publish estimates on how much of an effect on the fish population has actually suffered by this we will have more meaningful data.
I have mixed feelings about the Mississippi part of the loop...hear the nice barely offsets the long, boring stretches.

It might be cool if someone started a train like they have for RVs that goes down through the Mexican mountains...but hauls the boats yet stops in a bunch of places along the regular (or at least near) loop route.

My boss and I have kicked around the idea of hauling RVs down the ICW on barges to give them our experience...so why not have that experience in reverse without some of the bad side for us?

maybe we could even work on the bottom like a haulout as we plod along on train flat cars...
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These guys have the right idea, I hope they are a huge success.
A whopper of a deal with China to export Illinois carp : Business

A Louisiana Chef has been trying to make them popular under the name Silverfin
he says they taste between scallop and crabmeat.
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A Louisiana Chef has been trying to make them popular under the name Silverfin
he says they taste between scallop and crabmeat.
The traditional Southern view has always been that you can eat anything if you just put enough ketchup on it! (Or hot sauce, if you are a Cajun. :-)
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:01 PM   #28
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These guys have the right idea, I hope they are a huge success.
A whopper of a deal with China to export Illinois carp : Business

A Louisiana Chef has been trying to make them popular under the name Silverfin
he says they taste between scallop and crabmeat.
Chef Philippe Parola's Silverfin Campaign | Scuttlebutt: Louisiana News Briefs | Gambit - New Orleans News and Entertainment
Yes, good solution for the river system where they have already wrecked the food chain. Not so good to allow them to wreck the Great Lakes ecosystem and then deal with the aftermath. And they will do exactly that with stunning speed and efficiency. This won't cut bait with the Laker community.
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Yes, good solution for the river system where they have already wrecked the food chain. Not so good to allow them to wreck the Great Lakes ecosystem and then deal with the aftermath. And they will do exactly that with stunning speed and efficiency. This won't cut bait with the Laker community.
I can add one point of experience with this. While we were passing through Peoria on the Illinois River, we had one of the asian carp jump over our transom and into our cockpit - a pretty amazing feat since we were going 7-8 kts. It definitely got the attention of our two dogs who were quickly locked away.

I learned later that it is supposedly illegal to throw the thrashing guy back so I won't publicly declare that I did that. But when I picked this guy up (to throw him back), he was a good 7-8 lbs and there were hundreds (thousands?) jumping all around. It made me think that they are getting fat on some food supply that some other species wants but can't get any longer. So just having them, catching them, and shipping them off to China or wherever doesn't solve the other problems they are probably causing to other fish.
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The best solution would be to find a way to make harvesting these fish profitable...
If the NMFS would declare them overfished, they could manage them out of existance like they tried to do with fluke, black sea bass, grouper, red snapper, etc.
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Congress authorized the Corps to conduct a study in 2007 which was released Monday (2/10/14) on how best to keep the invasive species, including Asian carp, from overwhelming the Great Lakes and threatening the area’s multi-billion dollar fishing industry. http://glmris.anl.gov/documents/docs...maryReport.pdf

According to the bill H.R. 4001 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...13hr4001ih.pdf is intended "To authorize the Secretary of the Army to carry out certain activities to prevent the interbasin transfer of aquatic invasive species between the Great Lakes and Mississippi River, and for other purposes." The bill specifically calls for a "HYDROLOGIC SEPARATION" between the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River basins. According the the Army Corps of Engineers report, a hydrologic separation would be provided by alternatives 5, 6 or 7 (alternate 8 only provides a hydrologic separation on 3 of the 5 aquatic routes) each of which cost $15+ Billion. Since the wording of the bill only authorize the Secretary of the Army to carry out certain activities and does not authorize any funding to implement the action, I think the bill is just a way for Rep. Candice Miller (R-MI) to grand stand for her constituents.

If you read the report referenced above you will see that most of the alternatives would be effective at stopping carp without blocking navigation.
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:29 AM   #32
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>I have mixed feelings about the Mississippi part of the loop...hear the nice barely offsets the long, boring stretches.<

Same here, I tell folks to run to Charlivoy and make a U turn for the best loop experience.
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>I have mixed feelings about the Mississippi part of the loop...hear the nice barely offsets the long, boring stretches.< Same here, I tell folks to run to Charlivoy and make a U turn for the best loop experience.
the best part of the Mississippi is between St. Louis & Minneapolis. Plenty of marinas for fuel, water & pump outs, ships stores for parts & lifts for haul outs if needed. Plenty of anchorages that you can have all to your self, sandbars and islands to explore. Watch the tows and hail them if you have any doubt at all how to pass, pay close attention to your charts when leaving the channel to anchor. A boater could spend all summer visiting the small and not so small old river towns on the way up & back down.
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>I have mixed feelings about the Mississippi part of the loop...hear the nice barely offsets the long, boring stretches.<

Same here, I tell folks to run to Charlivoy and make a U turn for the best loop experience.
absolutely my thought on this. Although I find it hard to leave Charlevvoix.

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The three electric barriers have been installed and I believe they will continue to search for ways to stop the carp without totally blocking the river. Perhaps a lock with some greater charge within the chambers. Or a different kind of charge.
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absolutely my thought on this. Although I find it hard to leave Charlevvoix.

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Charlevoix is fast becoming the tourist boater mecca of NW Michigan.The charm began to disappear when they built the new marina and pushed it halfway to the middle of Round Lake in order to accommodate the scads of transients that flock there for the ever growing glitz and flim flam. Thank the internet and the info era for destroying what was once a fairly quiet and charming little town. The horns and endless sirens from street traffic make the noise pollution worse than New York City. These days I'd reverse course at Mackinaw Island.
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The three electric barriers have been installed and I believe they will continue to search for ways to stop the carp without totally blocking the river. Perhaps a lock with some greater charge within the chambers. Or a different kind of charge.
They tried higher charges in the locks last year or the year before. Boaters had to hire special crews to run their boats through. It was not viewed as a success. And again, every option discussed thus far has been bandied about and debated literally for years. Chicago and it's backers will say anything to keep those locks open...anything. And once again, the opposing coalition is not convinced, even in the slightest. One guess as to which side genuinely has the health of the Lakes in mind.
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