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Old 01-01-2011, 07:19 AM   #81
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Markpierce, those are nice numbers. Am I correct in assuming that they are software generated as opposed to actual consumption?

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I presume they're theoretical/computed figures as opposed to actual measures, but you'll have to ask marine architect George Buehler for the answer.

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I'm familiar with George's work as I purchased study plans from him 8* years ago. It looks like a very nice boat. Have you seen this page by Seahorse?

<a href="http://www.seahorseyachts.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=682952&lang=en&s lim=broker&&hosturl=seahorsemarine&&ywo=seahorsema rine&" target="_blank" title="Seahourse Yachts Coot">http://www.seahorseyachts.com/core/l...eahorsemarine&
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According to Seahorse the boat has a cruising range of either 1400 or 1800 miles at 7 knots. Assuming a 10% reserve, 1800 miles divided by 351 (390-39) gallons = 5.13 miles per gallon. 7 knots divided by 5.13 MPG equals 1.36 Gallons per hour.

Clearly there seems to be a difference of opinion. Looking forward to your actual consumption numbers.

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Old 01-01-2011, 07:23 AM   #82
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Looking forward to your actual consumption numbers.
The boat is to be equipped with a Floscan meter, so we'll find out.

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Old 01-01-2011, 09:19 AM   #83
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Hi Rob,
Our good fellow moderator has a Mainship Pilot 30 that I thought was'nt a trawler for most of the time I've been here but I've firmly changed my mind. The Pilot is styled after lobster boats to be sure and they have a solid rep as a sea kindly design and it is diesel powered.
I'm not sure HE even considers it a trawler but it is. It would need to look more like a Bayliner or Sea Ray to be not trawler.
Hey Eric, my boat has the word "Trawler" stamped on both sides of it!!!!...So it must be one.

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And Rob, I absolutely LOVE the Willard 40 and will agree with Carey....they just didn't make enough. *And I will take that thought a little further in that many of my favorite boats rarely make it over to the other two coasts. *So if located one of these things and wanted to get it home it require a tour thru Panama or shipping it over the road.
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As has often been mentioned on this forum, the Willard is alive and well. The company elected to eschew the*vagaries and financial* pitfalls of the consumer*market and build for the Navy and CG. Their decison has proven to be sound, much to the sadnees of many of us. There are very few "trawlers" built today that are cost effective and yet remain mainstream. The wealthy can afford Nordhavns and Selenes, but what is left over for the so called middle class (as Obama says those with less than $250K adjusted gross income) in the way of new vessels? Very few.*
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Old 01-01-2011, 10:34 AM   #85
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RickB,

Thank you for your interpretation of a recreational bulk carrier! It started my new year off in the right direction.

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Old 01-01-2011, 03:08 PM   #86
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John,
I DID say that I now think your Pilot IS a trawler but I had a hard time going from my old concept of what a trawler was to accepting a full planing boat as a trawler. Just didn't compute before. Kinda like the Nordic's saying "go fast go slow". I've learned a lot since I first sailed into the Sea of Trawler Forum. I've been considering boats and practices I've long ranted and argued against like buying a big square stern boat and running it's engine at 30% load. A big part of the reason I have been able to think that way is because that's almost all of what's on the market. Basically most all of us don't have much choice. Those are big steps even for me but I don't think I'll ever be able to think of small full planing OB boats as trawlers but look at the big changes in attitudes I've already made. Who knows? I think your boat is a trawler and I've come to that conclusion on my own but I don't put much stock in what manufacturers say since Sea Dory advertises their boat as a "trailerable trawler". An amazing number of folks go long distances w them and I don't think there is a Sea Dory here now but Mr Cook has done serious voyaging w one so who knows ??????
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Old 01-01-2011, 03:28 PM   #87
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As I said before,*a trawler is a state of mind on this forum.* Owners of sedan (planing-speed) cruisers*feel comfortable and are accepted here.* We're not limited to recreational/cruising (displacement-speed) trawlers.*
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Old 01-01-2011, 05:42 PM   #88
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That's funny Eric, because I can't bring myself to call my boat a trawler. Lobster boat...maybe. Picnic boat...maybe. Even Express Cruiser. If somebody asks me what kind of boat I have, if I say "Trawler" then I think they would get the wrong impression. Anyway, like Mark said, who cares.
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Mark, John,
Mark said it all. I agree. And John, express cruiser is probably most accurate I agree too.
I was just being analytical. One of my habits*** ...for good or bad. Now just to keep the ball rolling is a bulk carrier a trawler?
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That's funny Eric, because I can't bring myself to call my boat a trawler. Lobster boat...maybe. Picnic boat...maybe. Even Express Cruiser. If somebody asks me what kind of boat I have, if I say "Trawler" then I think they would get the wrong impression. Anyway, like Mark said, who cares.
John, to my mind, the Mainship Pilot series are Downeast style express cruisers.

There was a couple back in the 70's that cruised the East coast*and contributed to the Waterway Guide.* Their boat was,*if memory serves correctly, a converted salmon trawler named Chinook.**That and a few converted* shrimp and fish trawlers are the only true "trawler yachts" that I know of.* Of course, there are a few true converted tugs that are the real "tug yachts".

Other boats may claim to be trawlers, but they are really cruisers of different types.* As Marin pointed out, Grand Banks calls their boats "dependable diesel cruisers".

I like the term long range cruiser or something like that.* Trawler cruising is probably more of a*state of mind than type of boat------cover fairly long distances, spend alot of time at anchor, cruise over long periods and being able to be self sufficient for a period of time.

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I've racked my brain trying to remember what the Pilot 30 was called before it's present name. The boat was used to pull crab pots on the Chesapeake and later its mold was used to creat the Pilot 30. Luhrs was the manufacture at that time and I think the boat was the 30' Alura. If in fact that is true then the Pilot 30's lineage is from "work boats".
Having owned a 1999 Pilot 30, I always considered it a Down East Cruiser.

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Old 01-01-2011, 07:06 PM   #92
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Yep, that is where the Pilot came from. And Luhrs is still the manufacturer...
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Planing (sedan)*cruisers* *displacement (trawler) cruisers.

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Hey Mark I love it.

Luhrs eh? That explains the flare all the way aft.

John,
Do we need to hold any services for the departed?
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Naaahhhh....mainly because it has not departed yet.
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Just thought I would toss in this pic I took*of*a*trawler*I saw in the harbor at Homer, Alaska (circa 1982).**
Perhaps it can be used as a point of reference for this conversation (to be or not to be--a trawler).*** *KJ*

[img]download.spark?ID=850946&aBID=115492[/img]



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That photo*should be inspirational for marine architects designing recreational/cruiser trawlers.
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Just thought I would toss in this pic I took*of*a*trawler*I saw in the harbor at Homer, Alaska (circa 1982).**
Perhaps it can be used as a point of reference for this conversation (to be or not to be--a trawler).*** *KJ*

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-- Edited by KJ on Sunday 2nd of January 2011 09:05:20 AM
now that is a beautiful boat.........
as I sit on my "new" go fast boat I do have a part of me that still wishes I had the old boat..... but not the maintenance part!
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KJ,
At first I was going to say*** nawwww that's a siener but I don't see a power block on the boom but now I'm think'in a trawler has more gear aloft. Look at the vessel aft of Tasmainia and see the power block high in the rigging. But I see a sorta big rectangular box like thing on deck that dosn't look seine like at all. Do you know it's a trawler and not a seiner? I don't think we have any trawlers here in SE. Here's some seine rigging for
comparison. For our conversation I don't think it really makes any difference though. The other pic is an old seiner in Craig. Iadded another pic. The one from above is of the Jerolyn (sp?). A more or less famous seiner that fished out of Angoon for many years.
She's from Haidaburg now.
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Hollywood, KJ:

While I agree that your "Trawlers" are in fact true Trawlers, if used in the yachting world, they will be known as "Fishboat Conversions", while FG cruisers like mine will still be called "Trawlers".
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