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Old 12-24-2010, 10:54 AM   #1
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here you go! *The first 2 pics are "before and after" via photoshop that an acquaintance sent me after asking around....
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Old 12-24-2010, 05:41 PM   #2
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Tony,Thank you so much for mak'in*this happen. To me w the FB gone it's turned into a real boat. Edwin Monk would be proud of her like this. The topsides look even higher for obvious reasons but the whole boat looks much longer and lower. Looks a little like an old Forest Service boat and they are all beautiful. With the keel ending well fwd of the propeller it would seem the side wind-age*would be much better balanced so the bow may not even get blown downwind at all. With the high*freeboard*there's plenty of*though. I'm looking at the Nordic 32 again because I found out the Yanmar is a good engine and suitable for extended under-loading as long as it is'nt the 175hp inter-cooled engine. Price is 28K more than I'm willing to pay so I'll prolly not be getting it.
Perhaps that's the main reason the Nordics look so good as they don't have the FB.
Thanks again Tony!
Here is a link Tony has already seen but I post it for others to see how a GB 32 looks*<a></a>
like w/o her FB.
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:17 PM   #3
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Eric---

I agree, the GB32 with no flying bridge is a much better looking boat than the same boat with a flying bridge. Particularly since the GB32's flying bridge has to be accessed via a nearly vertical ladder, as opposed to the larger GBs that use steps to the aft cabin and then steps up to the flying bridge. A lot of older folks have a tough time with ladders and this particular GB32 eliminates that issue. I'm going to post the link on the GB owners forum and see how many howls of fury it stirs up over there. They're a bunch of traditionalists over there, you know. All devoted to old stuff.
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Finally got the "hyper" into the link but it dosn't work. Boat prolly sold.*"They're a bunch of traditionalists over there, you know. All devoted to old stuff."
Trying to bait me Marin? Ha Ha! Do you consider FBs to be "next generation"?
Do you remember this boat from Ketchikan? Looks like Spray put I suspect it
was a burnt hull and home made replacement cabin. What's your opinion?
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nomadwilly wrote:"They're a bunch of traditionalists over there, you know. All devoted to old stuff." Trying to bait me Marin? Ha Ha! Do you consider FBs to be "next generation"? Do you remember this boat from Ketchikan? Looks like Spray put I suspect it was a burnt hull and home made replacement cabin. What's your opinion?
I think flying bridges are fine where they make sense.* We don't use ours to run the boat from but we do like to sit up there once we get to where we're going and watch the world.* And on the rare occasions we have guests on board and the weather's nice, they like to ride up there.* So I wouldn't remove ours for the sake of appearance.* I'm not sure our tri-cabin boat would look all that great without the flying bridge anyway.* Not that it's a very good looking boat to begin with, but I think the FB does add something to the aesthetics.

The boat in Ketchikan is not Spray.* Spray is alive and well somewere in the Midwest, I think on Lake Michigan.
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I agree she looks better without the fly bridge. I'd take the sawzall to her!
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Personally, I think she kind of looks like she had her bridge knocked off by a low bridge! That's just me though- I guess i am too used to seeing the Monk 36 with a bridge. I do LOVE downeast style boats though and she has a unique downeast look to her without the bridge so I probably just need to get used to it.
I would not want to take my bridge down off my Monk, even if I was in a climate that it never got used. If never used, just have a canvas cover built for it and it will keep it out of the weather and then you also have a giant storage area.
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Old 12-25-2010, 11:07 AM   #8
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Tony,
The main reason I would lean toward removal is because of the very substantial amount of weight so very high above CG. Using it for storage makes it even worse. Perhaps a light aluminum framework and a nice colorful cover would be a good compromise. As I recall Steppen has such a FB. Just because the boat may look better just says that removal ain't all bad.
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The eye of the beholder.

To my eye, both the GB and the Monk look as good, or better with the FB!
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Eric,
I think if you took the FB off and added a low utility rail for storage with a cover to keep stuff out of the weather that could look pretty good actually.
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Yes. Since most of us see trawlers most of the time w FBs it would seem that to see one w/o would look odd. That's a no brainer but mostly I don't like the weight that far up in the air. But if I buy a boat w a FB I'll try it for awhile before scrapping it. The view is great and as Marin says there are special times when it would be great to be up there. I'm sure a lot of guys like to maneuver in close quarters from the FB too. But it's a long way down to the rail and float when one needs to make a line fast to the float. FB or not
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Old 12-25-2010, 12:16 PM   #12
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Eric,
One thing to keep in mind about the Monk 36 is that there is really not all that much to the flybridge. If you look in one of the pics I posted you can see the flybridge crated up in the foreground. I bet it does not weigh much more than a couple of hundred pounds? I am sure it adjusts the center of gravity due to height but the weight, i think, is relatively minimal. I agree though- if you buy one, obviously try it out for a while before you pull it off to see if you find handling/performance acceptable with it on. It definitely will help with resale to have it on I think. Either way- it's a great trawler.
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From an aesthetic viewpoint there is something else to consider regarding removing a flying bridge. On some boats--- the GB tri-cabins among them--- the flying bridge helps the superstructure of the boat follow the sheerline of the hull. It "raises" the front of the cabin to complement the rise in the sheerline at the bow. The top of the main cabin itself is often straight, which makes construction easier and less expensive.

Removing the flying bridge from a boat like this creates two lines that do not always complement each other. The main cabin roofline is straight, while the hull sheerline is curved up. On some boats this works okay, on others it doesn't.

The other consideration is the aft cabin.* While I think the GB32 that had its flying bridge removed looks like it was deliberately designed that way from the outset and is a very good looking boat, I think the Monk pictured at the beginning of this thread has suffered aesthetically from having the flying bridge removed. With no flying bridge to balance it, the aft cabin now looks awkward, like an added-on afterthought. One reason removing the bridge from the GB32 works so well is that there is no aft cabin on this boat.

I've posted this picture before, but I think Chinook has almost perfect lines from an aesthetic point of view. But this is because everything--- the curved main cabin roofline, hull sheer, window lines--- all work together to give the boat a sweeping look. This boat has a raised structure over the aft cabin but it is separate from the main cabin, it's very low, and it's constructed in a manner that compliments the rest of the boat.

The Monk in the photos would work much better for me if there was no aft cabin. But with the aft cabin, the boat--- like a GB tricabin--- now looks unfinished. If I had seen these photos with no explanation of what I was looking at, I would have said it was a partially completed boat in the yard awaiting the installation of its flying bridge. I think most tri-cabins need that bridge structure aesthetically to balance the stepped down aft cabin.

But boat design is like music--- everyone has different tastes.



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Nomad,** What is your opinion of the Lord Nelson Victory Tug.* There are a bunch on yachtworld and one as low as 99k asking.* I like the vintage look and at 37 feet they seem a practical size.*Perhaps they may not be new enough for you. Any thoughts?

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JohnP,
There's so few full displacement trawlers that I scrutinize every one. The Lord Nelson (LN) looks like it would be a full bodied heavy hull below the WL but it's NOT. It's a fairly light disp canoe shaped that i'm quite sure would roll a lot and not much of anything to dampen it. It's cutesy old time tug boat look is, in my opinion taken too far. The cabin roof looks like an old sway back horse or a rocking chair leg. Just too cutesy. BUT IT IS full disp and if the 99K LN was on the west coast i'd prolly be look'in at it. If I get a Nordic I'll prolly remove the tug boat "smoke stack" too. Just don't like that silly stuff. Now that you mention it I'll look at them. One very important thing is that it is a sizeable boat without being too big to be still in the handy catergory. Can't even remember what engines they have. Over powered like most all trawlers probably. Thanks for the heads up John.
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Sometimes, Eric, you make my head spin.
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If I get a Nordic I'll prolly remove the tug boat "smoke stack" too. Just don't like that silly stuff.
Watch out.* That*could be where there is stored a tank to fuel the stove.

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There's so few full displacement trawlers that I scrutinize every one. The Lord Nelson (LN) looks like it would be a full bodied heavy hull below the WL but it's NOT. It's a fairly light disp canoe shaped that i'm quite sure would roll a lot and not much of anything to dampen it. It's cutesy old time tug boat look is, in my opinion taken too far. The cabin roof looks like an old sway back horse or a rocking chair leg. Just too cutesy. BUT IT IS full disp and if the 99K LN was on the west coast i'd prolly be look'in at it. If I get a Nordic I'll prolly remove the tug boat "smoke stack" too. Just don't like that silly stuff. Now that you mention it I'll look at them. One very important thing is that it is a sizeable boat without being too big to be still in the handy catergory. Can't even remember what engines they have. Over powered like most all trawlers probably. Thanks for the heads up John.
The LN does look like it may have taken the tug look a bit too far.* I like the fact that the displacement hull will probably be easy on fuel.* The 3'6" draft caught my attention, there is a lot of skinny water where I boat. When I do go offshore it is usually only a short run "down the beach" no longer than a day so I plan my weather to keep things as pleasant as possible for the first mate. However if she rolls at anchor that probably would not work so well.I do find the size about right.*** Happy New Year.

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John,
I looked. Mostly as I remembered but one has a 4 cyl Cummins and that's better but 65-75hp is all that's needed and then one could load the engine better. I see they all have a bow thruster and it's prolly standard equipment after the first one went forth banging and smashing into boats and floats when the wind was blowing. The styling in the wheelhouse is over the top and that bow is WAY too high. And the draft is much more aft than fwd so that thruster better be a full time unit. I love the main salon and after deck.
The BMW engines seem very out of character w the tug image. Better w a small Cat or a Deere. Again the 4cyl Cummins comes close. I showed my wife the LN pics and she loves it.The LN w the little Cummins IS on the west coast but it's $50K over my head.
Would seem to be a obvious replacement for a Willard but the Willard hull is the real thing whereas the LN is a bit of a play act. Kinda like getting a FG replica of an XK120 Jaguar w a Pinto engine in it.
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Can't even remember what engines they [Lord Nelson Victory Tug] have. Over powered like most all trawlers probably. Thanks for the heads up John.
The Victory Tug was the boat we wanted to get long before we got serious about getting a boat.* It is still one of our favorites.* We really like the design, and think it does a much better job of replicating the harbor tug look than the Nordic Tug, which to me does't really look like a tug at all.* If you think the Victory Tug's lines are way over the top, then I assume you think the boat it is based on-- the New York harbor tug of the first half of the 1900s, is way over the top, too.* I think Lord Nelson did a pretty good job of capturing the look of what inspired their design.

While not that many Victory Tugs were made, they seem to have used a number of engines.* Some of the early ones have BMW engines.* Some of them have Yanmars.* We've met a couple of people on cruises who had 37' Victory Tugs powered by Cummins engines.* I know of one that has a Lugger in it, but this might have been a re-power.

Victory Tugs came in two sizes, 37' and 49'.* I have only seen two of the 49-footers in this area, one in Bellingham and one in Anacortes.* I don't know what they used for engines.

The 37' Victory Tug in the attched photo is in Bellingham-- it used to be on our dock--- and is currently for sale for $154,000.* It is Cummins powered.* The owner bought it back east-- Massechussetts I assume since that's where Minot's Light(house) is--- but later had it trucked out here for his son to maintain and use. He's had it and has been using it for at least seven years or so.* I have no idea why he's selling it now.



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