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Old 01-09-2013, 10:51 PM   #41
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1000 mile trip! I hope the best for that one.
well 450 miles each way. The boats kind of a strippy but made by one of the best yeards for these boats
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:51 PM   #42
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My dog wouldn't have a name without the French, Pan Pan. Not a m'aider, but more trouble than a securite.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:57 AM   #43
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My dog wouldn't have a name without the French, Pan Pan. Not a m'aider, but more trouble than a securite.
More about the origins of "pan pan" please? Did ok in French at High School, but that was a looooong while ago.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:08 AM   #44
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:32 AM   #45
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So the pics on Yachtworld aren't representative of the goods.

I'll tell you that when I was divorced years ago I took a spin through the dating websites, and let me tell you about misleading pics......
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:32 PM   #46
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So the pics on Yachtworld aren't representative of the goods.

I'll tell you that when I was divorced years ago I took a spin through the dating websites, and let me tell you about misleading pics......
I can only imagine. Did you ever find one?
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:30 PM   #47
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Quote “Pics on Yachtworld are misleading! “

Well, November Sierra, OP. It’s true on the entire internet. It’s human nature. Sellers want to get you interested.

After six years of full time cruising we wanted a waterfront house where we could keep the little DeFever at our own dock.

We are both native Floridians so we knew where to look. Looked at about 60 properties over 6 months, none of which lived up to their MLS listings. Finally we found one that met our criteria.

Hard work, due diligence. It’s how you get what you want.

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Old 01-10-2013, 09:26 PM   #48
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I can only imagine. Did you ever find one?
Not off the internet. My current wife is someone I've known for years prior to my divorce some 12 years ago. We're both in the same/similar profession, that's how we first met at some professional meeting or something. We have some of the same mutual friends and reconnected at a dinner party a couple years after my divorce. Dated for a while, and wed in Maui back in 05.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:39 PM   #49
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Should have checked Wikipedia myself. Interesting the origins may be multiple. Not sure "man overboard" is a "pan pan" event , more of a Mayday to me, perhaps it depends on the actual event.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:45 PM   #50
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Should have checked Wikipedia myself. Interesting the origins may be multiple. Not sure "man overboard" is a "pan pan" event , more of a Mayday to me, perhaps it depends on the actual event.
I agree...the practical uses of those words aren't as black and white as wikipedia would have you believe...there are those that say maydays are only used for the "ship in peril" never an individual...

But my philosophy after 20+ in SAR with the USCG..Mayday for MOB or Medevacs is fine by me...who's gonna argue...the radio police?
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:32 PM   #51
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What I find funny is that the USCG doesn't care much about radio usage. I let the CG Galveston station know about a radio that was keyed up for days in Clear Lake, preventing any type of communications. Their first response was (from Galveston) they couldn't hear it. I told them that if they would send a boat this way, they could. They then replied it was none of their business anyway, that I had to call the FCC. Of course they had no # to call. I literally started at the FCC # in Washington and worked my way down to a local guy. After about a week the offending radio was shut down.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:55 PM   #52
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And those people also gave us French Kissing!

Seriously, I once flew down to Oakland to look at a boat that was FAR worse than any picture could show. What a waste of time and money. Someday Yachtworld and will have quality (dare I say "professional"?) videos to show what a boat really looks like. I'm not saying that video can't be similarly manipulated, but it's a better way to show both the good and bad of a boat. We plan on developing boat for sale videos for our site in the near future.
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Interesting that they didn't care.

In the parallel universe of aviation, I spent many hours searching from the air for radio interference, pirate radio stations and phantom air traffic control transmissions in the course of my FAA career. Maybe the FAA sees the FCC lines of responsibility differently than the USCG, but I know the FAA takes it VERY seriously.

Those searches were some of the more interesting "cat and mouse" exercises we encountered on our missions. Some of them carried us into foreign airspace looking for the 'perps'.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:34 AM   #54
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And those people also gave us French Kissing!

Seriously, I once flew down to Oakland to look at a boat that was FAR worse than any picture could show. What a waste of time and money. Someday Yachtworld and will have quality (dare I say "professional"?) videos to show what a boat really looks like. I'm not saying that video can't be similarly manipulated, but it's a better way to show both the good and bad of a boat. We plan on developing boat for sale videos for our site in the near future.

Great Idea!
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:40 PM   #55
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The wonderful thing about photography is that it makes things look much better than they are. The worst thing about photography is that it makes things look much better than they are.

While relatively new tools like Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. can be used to radically change a photo, you don't have to do any of that to experience what the OP described.

The gel coat on our 1973 boat was beat up for 25 years before we bought it by the California sun, let alone previous owners banging things into it and whatnot. It's eggshelled, dinged, worn thin in spots, and scratched.

But back away ten feet and take a photo and the boat looks great.

I would always assume that what I saw in a photo of a boat was better than what I would see if I saw the boat in person. Gnorts is correct, one can take a bad photo that makes something good crappier than it is. But assuming a properly taken photo, they invariably portray the subject as more flawless than it really is.

If it didn't work this way Playboy magazine would never have gotten off the ground.

As to video, don't pin your hopes on that. We regularly manipulate video using the same kinds of tools the still folks use to make the things in the video look far better than they are. I've removed dirt, grease, scratches, and dings, to say nothing of entire portions of paint jobs from airplanes using things like Adobe AfterEffects. I regularly greatly enhance color, change the color balance and tone, alter the density, add or subtract sharpness, change red tails to blue tails, blue upholstery to brown, and on and on and on, all by simple mouse clicks.

Add in the expertise of our CGI people and they can fool an audience into seeing things in a video that aren't even there.
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:40 PM   #56
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I actually had the opposite experience. I looked at a boat for some time in Aaska and saw it in person finally when we went to Seattle. We both thought the boat looked better "in person" than it did in the pics. But I see most pics mislead to the positive side of truth and reality.

If you are looking at a boat far away ask the owner to take some very close pics of specific areas of your choice. That should tell the tale unless they are clever enough to put hydrofoils on a Willard.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:48 PM   #57
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I can't emphasize enough the value of a good buyer's broker. When I call a broker about a boat he will always give me the straight scoop on a boat as he wants/needs to build a relationship with me. I have saved clients tens of thousands of dollars finding better boats for many times less money. I had a 120K boat under contract for buyers then heard about a boat that wasn't on the market. We bought the second boat, a better boat then the first (same make/model/year) for 75K. A BB should be able to save you time/money and disappointment. Best of all the service costs you nothing as he/she is paid out of the existing commission.

I had a buyer come and sea trial one of my clients boats last winter. At the end of the day they turned to the seller and asked him if he was still interested in selling his boat to them. Of course he said he was. They then said that they would like to pay a thousand over the contract price as they were very pleased with her condition
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So the buyer just paid the guy an extra $1000? That's about a special kind of stupid.
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