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Old 01-18-2016, 05:27 PM   #21
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Boat is a Heritage 45, 15' beam, 40,000 lbs Had 20 or so on the flybridge/dinghy deck for a Christmas lighted boat parade. Everybody wearing Santa hats. Wind came up and one person's hat went off the starboard side. People laughed and then went quickly to that side to see where the hat went. I was at the wheel and the shift in weight scared the *&** out of me. The boat lurched dangerously to one side. Lesson: it's not so much how many people but what is the worse that can happen with the people you have on board. Unanticipated stuff happens!! I'm done with large groups.

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Old 01-18-2016, 06:37 PM   #22
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I just reread my post from yesterday: "Whatever I feel comfortable with." Sounds a bit cavalier on the subject.

The correct context is: I've had 11 adults aboard during optimium sea/wind conditions. That was not a "load" problem, but keeping track of even 11 well mannered adults had me on edge - this was not that long following the July 4 incident in NYC.

What I feel comfortable with at this point is not load limiting issues, it's how many souls I can have aboard and with safety and general comfort considerations. These considerations are varied. Example: I have a "one interested adult per child rule." Not a load problem, but concerns about overboard and as mundane as what an unsupervised 5 year old can do to a marine head. Ask me how I know.

On another occassion I received some heat from a friend who brought her outstanding 89 year old father along. Good guy in good shape all things considered. As unforecast weather and sea state built, I packed the trip in at an unconvenient intermediate stop. Most everything on my boat is either hard or sharp or both. The prospect of this gentleman loosing his footing and getting seriously hurt where I might get only bruised drove me to the decision. Chicken? I guess.

My comfort zone is now, at the very high end, the aforementioned 11 exemplary passengers/crew and great weather. Everything else is a subtraction from that number. Kids are lighter, but generally (to me) present possible concerns way disproportionate from their weight.

I greatly appreciate Ted's candor in relating the story above. It reminds me of a monthly column in Flying Magazine called "I learned about flying from that." Aviators would "drop their drawers" and relate actual incidents and events (usually involving pilot judgement or interpretation of situations) that created accidents/near misses. I learned quite a bit about some unquantifiable but important aspects of flying from it.

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Old 01-18-2016, 07:01 PM   #23
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Most I've had underway, including myself and crew, were six adults and four children. All but one of the four guest adults (no boating experience) remained in the saloon (?). The childrens' mother escorted her four PFD-equipped children on deck. Water was calm and the bulwark and strong railings reduced risk. No stability problems were noted, perhaps helped with the absence of a flying bridge. They all appreciated the colorful sails of Vallejo-race sailing participants. Still, boating with just us two crew creates less adrenaline production.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:15 PM   #24
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I had 15 (small adults) aboard last year at Seafair.

The boat didn't perform noticeably differently than normal, and it was pretty choppy out. I anchored in the middle of the lake and we were all on the boat deck and pilot house roof at times and it never felt tippy. I had nearly full fuel and water tanks at the time—about 3500 pounds low in the boat.

I'd guess we averaged 150 pounds per person. Nordic Tugs makes my same boat with a flybridge. Some people have dinghys and davits up top too. All that has to weigh 1000-2000 pounds, although it doesn't move around like people.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:29 PM   #25
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On my boat I limit the total number of persons (adults) counting myself to ten. That usually works out to six on the sun deck, three plus me on the fly bridge. Everyone has a place to sit, there is no overcrowding of fly bridge, aft deck or....heads! Plenty of space for folks to move around with ease.

Children are a different matter, if young children are part of the group, the limit is still a max of ten as described above and have to be a ratio of one adult per child. I'm probably overly paranoid but I cannot imagine a child going overboard and will not put myself in a situation where that could happen due to a child not being supervised properly.

While I'm certain the boat can easily carry more, this is my comfort limit and being comfortable while having guests is the most important thing to me.
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Old 01-18-2016, 08:00 PM   #26
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I helped convert a former crabbing boat to a USCG inspected passenger vessel for inshore charter operations on the Chesapeake bay (1999-2000). I also was the mate on the boat for the next 4 years. The modification and inspection process was very interesting. The hull was a 46' Markley which is a rather common commercial hull for this area with a good reputation. After all of the measurements, calculations and stability test the vessel received a rating for 39 passengers (it may have been 40) and the limiting factor in that case was the seating area and not the stability test. We had no intentions of running with that many but it helps the value of the vessel for resale. We did run right at capacity one time to run folks from one bar to the next within the harbor without issue (I was a seasoned drunk sitter by this point). Our largest fishing party was 24 which was uncomfortable but safe. We discouraged groups over 18 but it is very difficult for a trip organiser to handle the last minute additions or no shows so it was nice as operators to have the flexibility.

I learned a lot about life and boats on that boat. I dare say that few mariners alive can rebuild an electric head or untangle bottom rigs faster than me. BTW the cockpit was 28' long.
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Old 01-18-2016, 08:04 PM   #27
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This "trawler" would be good if unexpected guests appeared.

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Old 01-18-2016, 08:16 PM   #28
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So long as you have PFDs for everyone, and your boat isn't pushed down so low that water is coming up the scuppers, and not eveyone is leaning over the same side, and you aren't leaving the dock, you should be OK.
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Old 01-18-2016, 09:21 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Ski in NC View Post
I've had 15 on board my 38 for a coastal pleasure cruise. Including some kids. It was ok, except the kids flipping breakers and switches. It was a handful for me and my mate who was doing her best to control the herd.

It all depends on what the passengers are doing. Sitting down and being polite, can carry plenty. Running around, carrying on, being loud, drunk, messing with controls, that becomes a problem.
That reminds me when a kid was looking at one of our choppers at a meet and greet air-show and set off the ELT. USAF responded with an alert aircraft within about 30 minutes. They were not happy.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:02 AM   #30
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Passengers - how many?

New builds in the EU have to comply with certain regulations to "declare CE" and this "CE" is mandatory since mid of the 90ies.
Depending on supposed shipping areas - A ocean, B off shore, C coastal (3 nm from shore) and D inland waters - different numbers of passengers may be allowed by these regs depending on the specific design of the boat.
Although our boat is (due to her age) not covered by these regulations we follow more or less the numbers given for new builds of similar (looked with the eyes of an engineer) design too our AMS (40', 40000 lb): area D - 12 persons, rest 8.
Since our life raft has only 6 person capacity we don't go off shore with more than 6 on board ...

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