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Old 01-14-2016, 03:30 PM   #21
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I think the location of the poles fore and aft is important. If the boat pitches around a point well aft of amidships poles fwd of that point would put a much greater load on the system. Fish should go up and down as little as possible.

In Prince Rupert I talked to several paravane users both commercial and R trawler. They were more concerned about how deep the fish ran than the span width. Twenty feet deep and using chain was the consensus there.

Old deckhand ... I can't remember if the fishermen in SE used wood poles for paravanes. Many do for fishing gear ... do they use wood for paravane poles too?
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From my memory, the location for the paravane poles is to mount them 27% forward of the stern, using LWL as your 100% number.
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I think the location of the poles fore and aft is important. If the boat pitches around a point well aft of amidships poles fwd of that point would put a much greater load on the system. Fish should go up and down as little as possible.

In Prince Rupert I talked to several paravane users both commercial and R trawler. They were more concerned about how deep the fish ran than the span width. Twenty feet deep and using chain was the consensus there.

Old deckhand ... I can't remember if the fishermen in SE used wood poles for paravanes. Many do for fishing gear ... do they use wood for paravane poles too?

Yes Eric, we rigged the paravanes (chicken irons) off the same poles we used for trolling. I only had wood poles, never aluminum.

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Ted how many others did/do use wood poles for paravanes?
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It would be of value to know deployment and retrieval factoring with the paravanes. There seems to be a wide range of opinion on either relative ease or pure hell. Of course, the position/location of the boat when doing this is paramount. Sometimes we can't choose the timing or location, but the methodology is of great interest.
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Before they started using aluminium trolling poles we all used wood.
I don't think many still use wood. The fleet has been severely
down-sized and it seem harder to find good wood poles so most use the
aluminium ones.
It's not only the trollers, but the long-liners, some of the seiners, packers etc.

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...they were more concerned about how deep the fish ran than the span width. Twenty feet deep and using chain was the consensus there...
I think that depends. The commercial guy ours were copied from ran at 15' deep.

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From my memory, the location for the paravane poles is to mount them 27% forward of the stern, using LWL as your 100% number.
Your memory's pretty good. I've been told about a 1/3 the length from the stern so you're right there.

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...rigged the paravanes (chicken irons)...
Ours have been referred to as "sissy bars".
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Hi
Some of us have grab handles in various places.
Even this big, heavy old girl has an overhead thwartship bar
just behind the wheelhouse windows. Could be called a "sissy bar",
but more likely an "OH SH*T!!!" bar.

We usually ran our fish about 18 feet down. You don't want them to
come out of the water when you're on the crest of a big wave. They
have been known to go over the boom or through the side of the
deckhouse.

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...You don't want them to come out of the water when you're on the crest of a big wave. They have been known to go over the boom or through the side of the deckhouse...Ted
I can't imagine the seas that the vessel would be in to cause the fish to shoot forward after coming out of the water, toward the boat and over the boom or through the side of the deck house.

Ours have come out of the water. The exit and reentry is a little unsettling because of the unloading and reloading of the poles, but never even close to boat. Underway the fish are tracking pretty much parallel to our travel line so when they exit the water they pretty much follow the same track. I'm not saying it hasn't happened but again I find it hard to imagine those sea conditions and we have been in some real shit.
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Don't know what wild seas off the North-west coast up here. Heard about it sitting
around like this talking (verbally), not typing, with some of the old-timers.
Also hard to believe but true, father and two sons on a halibut trip, father died, sons radioed, asked, and got permission to ice him down and bring him in at the end of the
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