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Old 08-08-2015, 10:42 AM   #1
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Panama City FL shooting

Tenuous connection to the forum, but it did happen on the water. Panama City Fl shooting (injuries) of a Florida Fish and Wildlife officer.

More information released about FWC officer shooting - Story | MYPANHANDLE
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:59 AM   #2
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I can sympathize with solo LEOs out on the water at night.

I tell them all that consider me a resource....having little LE training and local water knowledge....I might be the first one to get to them. Not entering a gunfight unarmed, but wounded and in the water at night would be bad. With other agencies often much further away....they may not be as big of help unless a long lasting standoff.

Hope it nevery happens around me....I am just not sure what I would do watching a solo LEO taking fire...especially if things are turning bad.
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:28 AM   #3
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Wow! This is our neck of the woods and it goes to show you that no matter where you are you stand a chance to run into crazies. Glad the officer is OK. Must have been quite a trick dodging his own boat while in the water.
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Wow! This is our neck of the woods and it goes to show you that no matter where you are you stand a chance to run into crazies. Glad the officer is OK. Must have been quite a trick dodging his own boat while in the water.
Hopefully he had enough magazines to keep them from concentrating on driving at him too much.

I don't think I could do their job... I would insist on carrying as much ammo as an instead SEAL team....
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I read another news account that said that he had to reload in the water while they tried to run him over twice. I wonder how many gun shot holes are in the patrol boat.
Quite the miracle that he survived and only had minor gunshot wounds.
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IF shot through the collarbone, I wonder if there are a y long term effects?

Always heard that is a bad injury...but medical science leaps and bounds past what I stay current in.
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It doesn't say but I guess they had stolen the sailboat?
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IF shot through the collarbone, I wonder if there are a y long term effects?

Always heard that is a bad injury...but medical science leaps and bounds past what I stay current in.

Ended my cousins LE career however it was a large bore rifle shot at the very end of the collarbone that did a lot of rotator cuff and tendon damage.
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Very glad the FWC officer is alive, and the perps in custody. Thankfully the CG was able to get out there and locate the wounded officer in the water. There must be more to this story than the article relates, but nothing in it alters my conviction that water-borne LEOs are spread way too thin. In other words, there aren't enough of them out on the water. That's especially true here in Florida, with 1,197 statute miles of coastline (actually 2,276 statute miles of "tidal" shoreline), plus rivers and lakes.

Most boaters are decent people, which may be why exceptions (like these two gentleman sailors) stand out so much. But more law enforcement officers on the water would also help reverse the steady rise in what I call 'boating while ignorant.'
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Let me start off by saying Thank God the officer is safe, and it's (IMHO) a shame that these two miscreants are still stealing air.
Hopefully the system will work better than it apparently has in the past, as evidenced by the fact that we are even having to discuss this

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...McKeithen said Officer David Brady's training, his bulletproof vest and possibly a higher power saw him through a deadly gunfight on a stolen sailboat at about 4:00 p.m.
He's definitely a "lucky" man, I'll give him that.
He needs to make danged sure he has a lottery/powerball ticket from every state available today! There was definitely a "higher power" looking over him.

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McKeithen did not hold back during the press conference, at one point calling the suspects dirtbag cowards. He also pointed out that law enforcement officers face this kind of danger every time they put on a badge and go to work.
Give 'em hell!!

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Brown also said the 13-year-veteran officer had the training necessary to survive the situation.
Ok, while I despise Monday morning quarterbacking, this is my world, so I guess I'll be the one to say it...WTF??

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Brady jumped from his boat into the water
Please don't take this the wrong way.
It's NOT intended as an attack on the officer, but instead a legitimate question and concern for their safety.

So my question is, Freaking why?

With all of the training I've done, whether as student or instructor, I've never been instructed nor have I instructed anyone, to remove themselves from their vessel.

Unlike land based officers where you may have the opportunity to remove yourself from the line of fire to a position of better cover and concealment, say a dumpster for example, the boat is the only form of cover, concealment and escape you have!

Unfortunately, panic will cause a person to do the damnedest things.

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Brady responded and made contact with the two white males aboard the sailboat. He asked for their identification and one man entered the cabin of the vessel. When the man emerged from the cabin he was armed with a handgun and began firing at Brady.
This is an inherent problem with law enforcement vice USCG boardings. While the USCG has a "team" on each boarding, in LE we're almost always outnumbered. I've watched FWC on many occasions here in the Bay area.

They're generally a friendly lot, and it's usually a polite and laid back,"hey, how ya'll doin' today?'", approach with the officer alongside in his/her vessel. While certainly less antagonistic than the storm trooper approach, It leaves a lot to be desired in the tactics department.

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The suspect continued to fire at Brady and then both suspects boarded Officer Brady's boat. The two attempted to run over Brady with the boat several times as he returned fire, striking one of the suspects in the hand.
I'm truly impressed with his ability to even hit the boat under those conditions, much less one of the occupants. I'm going to venture luck more than skill here. Regardless, a hit is a hit and I'll take that over a miss any day!

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However, Brady was shot once in the collarbone and once in the side. Col. Curtis Brown of the FWC said the bullet passed right through Brady's collarbone. The shot to his side was stopped by the bulletproof vest.
That's a lucky shot, or should I say miss.
Sounds like it was through and through.
Had it broken the clavicle or the rotator, it could have rendered the arm unusable. Not good when you're trying to swim, dodge, shoot, reload and waive......

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Brady was able to flag down a Coast Guard vessel that took him to Panama City Marina and then to a local hospital where he was treated and released Friday night.
When the case is closed (or sooner if possible) I'll try to get a copy to review for training purposes.

The fact that the CG patrol boat was in the area was either a miracle, or they heard the call as well. Maybe they too received a call from someone? However it happened, he owes them dinner and drinks!

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"My understanding is that the vest stopped several bullets,"
Hopefully it's their policy. Regardless, I'm glad he was wearing it.

Hopefully during his recovery, a team will debrief him and modify their "training criteria."

In the end however, I'm elated that he's still with us and hope these clowns get much more than they deserve

BTW- I have relatives in Panama City, and that's one thing I love about the area. It's still got a lot of "Old Florida" left, and there's still more than one "good ole boy" sheriff up there that thinks criminals should be treated like criminals and not as mixed up youth. Oh, and the locals don't mind guns

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Very glad the FWC officer is alive, and the perps in custody. Thankfully the CG was able to get out there and locate the wounded officer in the water. There must be more to this story than the article relates, but nothing in it alters my conviction that water-borne LEOs are spread way too thin. In other words, there aren't enough of them out on the water. That's especially true here in Florida, with 1,197 statute miles of coastline (actually 2,276 statute miles of "tidal" shoreline), plus rivers and lakes.

Most boaters are decent people, which may be why exceptions (like these two gentleman sailors) stand out so much. But more law enforcement officers on the water would also help reverse the steady rise in what I call 'boating while ignorant.'
Amen!
Unfortunately, like most state agencies in Florida, they're underpaid as compared to most city/county agencies, and no one wants to foot the tax bill for their funding. Unlike those of us in the local arena, where you see or interact with them on a daily basis, the FWC is obscure to most not in the boating community.
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Off Duty Dr. Ben carson quote one of the best of the night

My mother being 8th generations Floridian with many family members in LE things like this hit so close to home for us

And to top it off my youngest child (10th genration) live in Panama City and her husband works in LE
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My mother being 8th generations Floridian with many family members in LE things like this hit so close to home for us

And to top it off my youngest child (10th genration) live in Panama City and her husband works in LE
I know what you mean my friend, and God bless your son in law, and others before him, for their service.

I'm a native Floridian.
I have a cousin and her husband who have been in Panama City all their lives.

My dad as well as an uncle were in law enforcement here in Florida, my uncle serving with the old game and fish commission, the forerunner to FWC.

Have a cousin who is Sgt. With a Ga. Sheriff's office, and I just had an FWC officer move in down the street from me.

Over the years I have buried several friends and at least 2 people who I had a hand in training in the academy. I've watched others medically retire, be forced to medical out or end up on the psych squad over duty related matters. So all of these situations strike a chord with me as well.

My post was not intended to be critical or demeaning of the officer involved. I hope it wasn't taken that way. It was more directed to the agencies training for the inherent risks they take. Maybe more so than those of us who do/did serve in the cities and urban areas.

I still remember officer Parker who was killed many years ago investigating some poachers (IIRC). They're out there alone with no backup.

As someone who continues to train, I look at each incident critically. Unfortunately I find some of the training woefully inadequate. Add the political correctness and hamstringing by the politicos and the press, and you have a recipe for disaster. I'm tired of attending funerals

I'm with psneeld. If I ever have the honor to be nearby when one of them needs help, I'll be there without question or consideration.

I took an oath, and retired or not, I still stand by that oath, and with those who continue to serve. God willing, nobody dies on my watch!!.

I look forward to making your acquaintance in person one day. In the meantime, please tell your son in law to be careful out there.


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I agree brother!
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That may be the unit that operates out of P.C. Marina near the civic center. If so I have seen them go out often. I pray for a speedy recovery for the officer.
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Amen!
Unfortunately, like most state agencies in Florida, they're underpaid as compared to most city/county agencies, and no one wants to foot the tax bill for their funding. Unlike those of us in the local arena, where you see or interact with them on a daily basis, the FWC is obscure to most not in the boating community.
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I know what you mean my friend, and God bless your son in law, and others before him, for their service.

I'm a native Floridian.
I have a cousin and her husband who have been in Panama City all their lives.

My dad as well as an uncle were in law enforcement here in Florida, my uncle serving with the old game and fish commission, the forerunner to FWC.

Have a cousin who is Sgt. With a Ga. Sheriff's office, and I just had an FWC officer move in down the street from me.

Over the years I have buried several friends and at least 2 people who I had a hand in training in the academy. I've watched others medically retire, be forced to medical out or end up on the psych squad over duty related matters. So all of these situations strike a chord with me as well.

My post was not intended to be critical or demeaning of the officer involved. I hope it wasn't taken that way. It was more directed to the agencies training for the inherent risks they take. Maybe more so than those of us who do/did serve in the cities and urban areas.

I still remember officer Parker who was killed many years ago investigating some poachers (IIRC). They're out there alone with no backup.

As someone who continues to train, I look at each incident critically. Unfortunately I find some of the training woefully inadequate. Add the political correctness and hamstringing by the politicos and the press, and you have a recipe for disaster. I'm tired of attending funerals

I'm with psneeld. If I ever have the honor to be nearby when one of them needs help, I'll be there without question or consideration.

I took an oath, and retired or not, I still stand by that oath, and with those who continue to serve. God willing, nobody dies on my watch!!.

I look forward to making your acquaintance in person one day. In the meantime, please tell your son in law to be careful out there.


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I agree and I certainly will tell my son in law

I remember the female wild life officer Peggy Park ( I grew up in Pinellas) I think she was killed near the old boot ranch
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"I remember the female wild life officer Peggy Park ( I grew up in Pinellas) I think she was killed near the old boot ranch"

That's her (sorry, didn't catch the auto correct to "Parker" on my phone :-( ).
Very small world.

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Any updates on the officer?
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He was released from the hospital and it was reported he was doing well.
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He was released from the hospital and it was reported he was doing well.
Awesome!

If there's anything we can do for him or his family, please let me know.
I have family in Panama City that would be more than willing to lend a hand.

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