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Old 02-02-2014, 06:56 AM   #21
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Paint is the superior finish for the top quality boats , for decades..

Used to re-coat crapped gel coat it is a fine improvement.

Used to cover huge repairs and an acre of Bondo , not so good .

Paint sells the boat , but CAVIAT EMPTOR , as it can cover many sins.

A tuning fork can let you know the areas of different density , to seperiate the patch jobs from the rest.
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Old 02-02-2014, 07:26 AM   #22
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I've got to admit to a bit of paint envy seeing these photos of glossy painted hulls. My 45 year old gel is still in great shape thanks to being boathouse kept its whole life but doesn't hold a candle to these painted finishes.

I had better stay away from this thread as all this boat porn is giving me expensive ideas.
A good paint job actually protects an aged gelcoat hull that's not been diligently cared for over time. The hull is the easiest part to wax and care for. But the super structure is where it becomes a pain in the butt to deal with. As far as durability, well the key is the prepwork for a LONGER lasting paint job. The paint will only be as good as the surface that its applied to.

When you bite the bullet and go paint, check the previous jobs that the painter has done. And by all means accept that a quality job is not cheap. Heck some jobs sadly cost more than the value of some boats. That's just the nature of the foolish pleasure.

Not mine, but a good example of a first class job. Not only is the paint a lot of work, but this particular hull required thousands of man hours to shape the continuous curves and shape long before the topcoat when on to allow the paint to show properly.


So the moral to the story is that the paint is only as good as your hull. Some of the orient hulls lacks the surface ready for paint either, and will require many dollars of prep work which is sometimes hard to swallow.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:34 AM   #23
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Well I would LOVE to repaint my boat. She's 25 this year and showing some wear. I just can't justify the cost. I can buy a ton of Diesel, a warehouse full of parts and stay in a bunch of marinas if I want for the cost of a repaint. I plan on having this boat a long time and I'm really don't care about impressing the Joneses with a nice shiny boat. I'll save my cash for cruising.
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I like the 2 part paint but it's not perfect. Two parts on vertical services are great but on horizontal surfaces, if water collects and stands for any length of time, the paint will blister and bubble. If you have a cooler on the deck or carpets, seat cushions that traps water, you'll have the same issues. There's a reason why 2 parts are not used below the water line. Gel-coat or 2 part paints, both have their place, IMHO.
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I like the 2 part paint but it's not perfect. Two parts on vertical services are great but on horizontal surfaces, if water collects and stands for any length of time, the paint will blister and bubble. If you have a cooler on the deck or carpets, seat cushions that traps water, you'll have the same issues. There's a reason why 2 parts are not used below the water line. Gel-coat or 2 part paints, both have their place, IMHO.
Larry, I was trying to PM you, but your mailbox is full. If you have another way of receiving messages and a few minutes on your hands, pls PM me. Thanks!
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Larry, I was trying to PM you, but your mailbox is full. If you have another way of receiving messages and a few minutes on your hands, pls PM me. Thanks!
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Greetings,
Mr. k. I fully appreciate your reasoning for not painting your vessel. More $$ for cruising. In our case, there were so many gelcoat checks, redundant/corroding/degraded fittings, aftermarket add-ons and nicks and gouges that to leave things as they were would have compromised the underlying structure due to leakage. We're going with Alexseal by the way.
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The biggest part of taking care of a boat is , well, taking care of it. I have seen many FRP vessels that are lovingly waxed and or boat house kept that look terrific after 3 or 4 decades. Our vessel, stored outside, is now 11 years old and shines as if new, but requires topside waxing twice per year and hull every spring.

If one purchases an older vessel that has not been well cared for regarding exterior, Sterling, Imron, Awlgrip, Alexseal etc can indeed be applied. But the price can be staggering so get your wallet out. Thirty years ago I had a Trojan 36 woodie that was Awlgripped. Prep and paint labor hours were about 200 so plan accordingly. When looking at top notch painting costs, the price advantage of frequent waxing becomes obvious.

Or as Dashew does with his FPBs, leave them Unpainted Al. His well heeled customers wear the rugged Al look as a badge of pride. Just like Birkenstocks or pre washed new pricey jeans!
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RTF, I agree there are times that it needs to be done as in your case, like I said I would love to have mine done also. I have a couple of spots that the gel coat doesn't quite match. PO used to pingpong off pilings until he hired someone to run his boat.
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Thirty years ago I had a Trojan 36 woodie that was Awlgripped. Prep and paint labor hours were about 200 so plan accordingly. When looking at top notch painting costs, the price advantage of frequent waxing becomes obvious.
200 what?!? [as he braces for the answer]

Edit: Never mind, I was thinking dollars, or some multiple thereof, and you clearly stated hours. Heading back to the coffee pot.
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200 what?!? [as he braces for the answer]

Edit: Never mind, I was thinking dollars, or some multiple thereof, and you clearly stated hours. Heading back to the coffee pot.
Yeah, 200 kpa in metric for your systolic when you figure out the final tab in dollars, pesos, euros, soles, pounds yen, bitcoin or rubles.
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Yeah, 200 kpa in metric for your systolic when you figure out the final tab in dollars, pesos, euros, soles, pounds yen, bitcoin or rubles.
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When all is said and done with the boot striping, reapplying the name and hailing port, and any cove striping a professional 2 part paint job will probably run about $300/ft. That is just for the hull sides. YMMV.

Anyone have any comparative figures?
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Mr. M. Well, I was quoted about $220/foot house and hull but I buy materials. I anticipate being close to budget BUT your $300/foot might be closer to reality.
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If you are going to be outside the US, consider Trinidad or Grenada. We painted in Trinidad and the total cost excluding the name and hailing port ($150) was $4,300 US. Even though the boat had been painted before, the amount of prep would have been the same as if we had started with old gel-coat.
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I'll be painting my deck in the Spring (one-step poly), and removing the stanchion bases as well as the cleats. The stanchion bases will stay out, except for one on each side where I am going to install extra cleats. Question: what shall I use to fill the bolt holes?

My topsides gelcoat is still sweet!
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Well I would LOVE to repaint my boat. She's 25 this year and showing some wear. I just can't justify the cost. I can buy a ton of Diesel, a warehouse full of parts and stay in a bunch of marinas if I want for the cost of a repaint. I plan on having this boat a long time and I'm really don't care about impressing the Joneses with a nice shiny boat. I'll save my cash for cruising.
Or…you can do that…it won't sink, and if resale is not a concern...
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and if resale is not a concern...

The time to paint the boat is before resale.

Cruising will always involve a ding or two , Murphy lives!

Toplac was the best for owner , non spray repaints , but it no longer is sold.
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and if resale is not a concern...

The time to paint the boat is before resale.

Cruising will always involve a ding or two , Murphy lives!

Toplac was the best for owner , non spray repaints , but it no longer is sold.
Not sure you are right there FF. We can still get it here Downunder. It replaced Brightside here - much better too.

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I think Brightside was reformulated to be better than both Toplac and Brightside of old....thus only one one-part product here in the USA....
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