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Old 10-20-2013, 08:44 PM   #1
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I am asking this question of those of you who cruise the Pacific Northwest and are familiar with the boating market there. So here goes.

If you:

1 - had a budget to buy a boat of $150,000;
2 - wanted to spend two summers cruising Puget Sound, the San Juans, the Canadian Gulf Islands, Saanich Peninsula, the Vancouver area, and finally up to Desolation Sound;
3 - would normally have two on the boat (H and W), occasional family members, and occasional (pre-tested) friends (2 max);
4 - and wanted to sell the boat after the second summer,

what one boat would you recommend, with the ability to resell being very important?

For example, if someone asked me what boat to buy to use in our harbor of Newport Beach for two summers with the same facts, I would tell them to buy a Tiara 36 because it is a very popular boat here; can get to Catalina quickly, safely, and fit on most buoys; and can be sold relatively easily, all of those overriding the "express" styling.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Old 10-20-2013, 10:46 PM   #2
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Looks like not a bad Deal
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Don I'm not a PNW boater but am willing to take a stab at it. Those requirements and price range can get a well found Grand Banks 36 or sub 40' diesel powered Bayliner. Both of those boats along with Tollycraft are the work horses of the PNW from what I've been told. There's a large selection available on Yachtworld and if appropriately priced and well maintained tend to sell quickly much like the sport boat in your example.

If your same parameters where to be applied to San Francisco Bay or delta I'd be recommending a late model Sea Ray as you can't swing a dead cat by the tail around these parts without getting waked by one. The brands mentioned above are ones that most often come up when folks are looking in the PNW so can only assume their thick as flies up there.

Well found is the single most important part because while location, location, location are the 3 most important variables in real estate, boats are all about condition, condition, condition.
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The Grand Banks 42 Classic is a comfortable and reliable coastal cruiser and very popular in the PNW. I did a quick search and found four for sale at your price point. I've chartered GB42s from Northwest Explorations and found them easy to operate, economical, and safe. They are also very wet and I hit my head every time I sat up in bed in the Europa version, reasons I ultimately chose a DeFever instead. But the GBs are solid and seaworthy and you would have an advantage selling it here after a couple of years due to their well-deserved popularity.
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The $150K cap would put me in the seat of a very nice 37 planing boat. Tiara as you mentioned is a good choice - but with diesel heat!! I saw a great 37 foot well equipped gas Formula that would fill the bill last fall at our Marina. A well used cheap project trawler is not on my list.
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:39 PM   #6
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Hard to go wrong with a GB 42 for cruising up here or a 36 either. Selling it will depend on price, market condition and the big three mentioned, condition condition condition.

Popular boats up here for many reasons. Though for a little more there is an amazing Willard 40 for sale, Northstar. This is a wonderful vessel.
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I am asking this question of those of you who cruise the Pacific Northwest and are familiar with the boating market there. So here goes. If you: 1 - had a budget to buy a boat of $150,000; 2 - wanted to spend two summers cruising Puget Sound, the San Juans, the Canadian Gulf Islands, Saanich Peninsula, the Vancouver area, and finally up to Desolation Sound; 3 - would normally have two on the boat (H and W), occasional family members, and occasional (pre-tested) friends (2 max); 4 - and wanted to sell the boat after the second summer, what one boat would you recommend, with the ability to resell being very important? For example, if someone asked me what boat to buy to use in our harbor of Newport Beach for two summers with the same facts, I would tell them to buy a Tiara 36 because it is a very popular boat here; can get to Catalina quickly, safely, and fit on most buoys; and can be sold relatively easily, all of those overriding the "express" styling. Any thoughts? Thanks. Don
Why not ship that Tolly up here? Those are very popular and would fit the bill! With that said, by the time you moor, insure, etc. and with the risk inherent in a depreciating boat why not consider a long charter for both summers? Then just clap your hand and say "I am out." No worry about selling or maintaining in your short timeframe!

I am sure many will chime in but I would be looking for a well cared for repower that you can throw a few hundred hours on and then dump after a couple of seasons

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The $150K cap would put me in the seat of a very nice 37 planing boat. Tiara as you mentioned is a good choice - but with diesel heat!!
Interesting take and I agree with it! I owned a 2000 35' Tiara Open and cruised her at 25 knots. My reason for selling was that all the amenities were below and my wife wanted to see out when in the slip or at anchor. Cruising at over 20 knots, however, when you are bucking a tide is really nice.
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Tolly was built in Lnadview Washington. so its native to the PNW. The best bang for the buck is still Bayliner and very popular.
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I agree that the boat looks good in the pictures, but I consider a boat approaching 30 years a project boat requiring lots of TLC, cash and time - all cutting into the OP's requirement for high use and quick re-sale.
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Well, being I just bought a boat for the PNW. It would be 40' something with twin diesels, bridge and an enclosed sunroom. From here you can expand on say a cockpit or strictly an aft berth, and a good dink, heating. I would suggest start looking at the boats that are for sale up here. Many will be fully enclosed with isinglass and have some sort of heat. Good Luck.
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LaConner Yacht Sales dosn't seem to know if it's a twin or a single.

So what's a PNW boat look like? Lived here all my life and I've heard that over and over. What is it ... The color, cabin style??? What makes a boa a PNW boat? Florida built boats are classier and perhaps better. Great boats come out of Newengland and there's even more European boats there.

The only feature I can think of that seems to be unique to the NW is the big aluminum reel style anchor winches. Don't see them anywhere else.

One feature of boats on this upper west coast is a nice big fishing cockpit aft. In Alaska everybody fishes. If you pass a guy on the street they will usually ask you "how's fish'in?". So a sundeck would seem the least likely to be a NW boat. But ther'e are sundecks here. Several years ago I had to ask what one was though so they can't be too numerous. But a fishing cockpit would seem a real feature of a PNW boat. But if one dosn't fish (like me) what would you look for to find a PNW boat?
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The PACNW is Bayliner country.

They are far and away the most popular boats in many harbors.

Pick the size you want, buy it at a good price, and sell it in a couple of years.

As others have mentioned condition is everything. Equipment list is everything.

On that budget I'd be looking at a 3988 or possibly the aft cabin model, 3587 I think.

They can cruise slow if you want. They can cruise fast if you want. Very good lower helm, out of the weather. nice fly bridge for sunny days.

the big question is why not drive your tollycraft north? they are great boats as well.
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Nordic Tug if you aren't doing a lot of friend sleep overs. They offer one of the best re-sale values and they represent a true classic NW Vessel.

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Kevin,
Are you saying or implying that a Bayliner is a PNW boat because it's built here?

I was assuming that it was some feature or features of the boat that made it most suitable to the PNW. For the activity of boating here.

Adelaide,
I love NTs but what makes them a "classic NW vessel"?
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I love NTs but what makes them a "classic NW vessel"?
Bayliners are sun chasers, Nordic Tugs are season extenders. It's a much more comfortable vessel with our climate and maximizes the opportunity we have on the water.... Not to mention, the Nordic Tug was designed around the classic Tug theme specifically for the NW. Here is a little history of the Nordic Tug:

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Kevin,
Are you saying or implying that a Bayliner is a PNW boat because it's built here?

I was assuming that it was some feature or features of the boat that made it most suitable to the PNW. For the activity of boating here.

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I love NTs but what makes them a "classic NW vessel"?
I'm saying that Bayliner dominated the PACNW in terms of number of large cruisers produced. Those large numbers have produced a rather large following, making them an easy resale. Also some of their models, specifically the pilothouse models are well suited for use in the PACNW weather conditions.

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Bayliners are sun chasers, Nordic Tugs are season extenders. It's a much more comfortable vessel with our climate and maximizes the opportunity we have on the water....
Thats a pretty broad and absolutely incorrect statement. The attribute that makes a boat a season extender in the PACNW is a fully functional inside helm station. While I agree that a pilothouse model boat is a season extender, I do not believe that the inside helm station on a Nordic tug is any more or any less functional than the inside helm station on a Bayliner or a tollycraft or uniflite, or many other brands with comparable sizes.

If we want to get specific, I would stack the pilothouse on the 4788 Bayliner against any boat on the market in its size range for useability, and features.

Specifically the main design feature that makes the Bayliner pilothouse so roomy is that it does not have a stairway forward, taking up room in the pilothouse. I'm amazed when I look at pilothouse boats, just how cramped many of the pilothouses are.



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For retaining resale value Grand Banks 36 to 42.
Nothing against Bayliners but there always seems to be a ton of them on the market which you'll be competing in; of course the inverse is true too...it can make for a more affordable boat to buy!
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I'm saying that Bayliner dominated the PACNW in terms of number of large cruisers produced. Those large numbers have produced a rather large following, making them an easy resale. Also some of their models, specifically the pilothouse models are well suited for use in the PACNW weather conditions.



Thats a pretty broad and absolutely incorrect statement. The attribute that makes a boat a season extender in the PACNW is a fully functional inside helm station. While I agree that a pilothouse model boat is a season extender, I do not believe that the inside helm station on a Nordic tug is any more or any less functional than the inside helm station on a Bayliner or a tollycraft or uniflite, or many other brands with comparable sizes.

If we want to get specific, I would stack the pilothouse on the 4788 Bayliner against any boat on the market in its size range for useability, and features.





Popcorn please! Oh add a beer to that too. This is more fun than seeing a Sea Ray and Bayliner owners go after each other! Opps

Which ever boat you choose, it will have it good things and bad. Most of all have fun and explore.......
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