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Old 08-08-2015, 01:35 AM   #21
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Years ago I believe when passagemaker first started they had a article about a 50'ish trawler with twin outboards.. I do not think it was well received the time.
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Old 08-08-2015, 06:47 AM   #22
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The usual "trawler" requires little power to cruise , as a gear box and good diameter prop are fairly efficient.

I don't know if an outboard in the say 50-70 Hp range that can swing a 24 inch prop that would work.

Also the hassle of pitching might lift the OB , at the worst time , running an inlet .

There have been many designs for fish boats where the OB is fwd of the transom, in a box , that might work, with a deep enough reduction gear .

Today's complex diesels - high pressure fuel, electronic fuel injection- can make perhaps 20-22HP from a gal of diesel.

The modern OB with a similar complex system can create about 14 hp/gal.

With the lower gasoline fuel cost it might be close in dollars per mile.

Inshore it would make loads of sense to not install a $30,000 engine when a $10K unit could do the same job.

Offshore range would predominate and favor the diesel, however if a NA mechanical injected engine were chosen (so it could be repaired) it would be a wash.

The ability to carry an OB as a complete drive package as a backup is very interesting for long range cruising..
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:19 AM   #23
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When I was boat looking (not that I ever stop doing that ) I ran across a trawler modified I think by Nova

not 100% sure but I think this is the company I do not see anything on the website that looks like the one I saw several years ago

Nova* Trawler* Company* Limited* L
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:27 AM   #24
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It even says "Trawler" on the side!

I hadn't seen Rosborough's new RIB line, but I always called their older style a "pocket trawler". Actually a nice package if you're looking for something trailerable.
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:35 AM   #25
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When I was boat looking (not that I ever stop doing that ) I ran across a trawler modified I think by Nova
Those are very interesting designs, including a 35 ft. sedan that even Eric would look good in. Thanks for posting the link.
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:27 AM   #26
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"Eco trawler"

Although at $214k new I don't think "eco" stands for economical in a monetary sense.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013...s#.VcYRSIm9LCQ
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Old 08-08-2015, 10:33 AM   #27
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I repeat my #3 post.
No such thing as an OB trawler.

Sea Dories? They are a flat bottomed skiff w a cabin tacked on. Great boats but they are what they are. Sea Dory even said "The Trailerable Trawler" in their adds. Rediculous.

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What is it about that RIB thing that makes you think it's a trawler. The word trawler on the side? You're an advertisers dream.

A trawler is a heavy diesel powered slow boat that dosn't have a planing hull. This dosn't mean that a GB owner that put gas engines in his boat would no longer have a trawler.

When we were kids we attached playing cards to our bicycle's fender brackets to make it sound like a motorcycle. Pretending. OB trawlers are pretenders.

However this is not to say that many OB boats cruise long distances much like trawlers. But they wait for the weather, burn more fuel and pound themselves silly when the wind comes up. I ran my OB boat from Juneau to WA but that didn't make my boat a trawler.
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"Eco trawler"

Although at $214k new I don't think "eco" stands for economical in a monetary sense.

I don't think so either. Makes the new 35' Sea Piper I received an email on this morning look downright affordable at $130k. Trailerable too.
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This looks trawlerish. 😬

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013...s#.VcYWcom9K0c
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I repeat my #3 post.
No such thing as an OB trawler.

Sea Dories? They are a flat bottomed skiff w a cabin tacked on. Great boats but they are what they are. Sea Dory even said "The Trailerable Trawler" in their adds. Rediculous.

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What is it about that RIB thing that makes you think it's a trawler. The word trawler on the side? You're an advertisers dream.

A trawler is a heavy diesel powered slow boat that dosn't have a planing hull. This dosn't mean that a GB owner that put gas engines in his boat would no longer have a trawler.

When we were kids we attached playing cards to our bicycle's fender brackets to make it sound like a motorcycle. Pretending. OB trawlers are pretenders.

However this is not to say that many OB boats cruise long distances much like trawlers. But they wait for the weather, burn more fuel and pound themselves silly when the wind comes up. I ran my OB boat from Juneau to WA but that didn't make my boat a trawler.
This is the nearest I can come: commercial crab fishing boat with twin OB'S:

http://www.specmar.com/aluminum-boat...crab-boat-1442
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:23 PM   #31
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Rustybarge,
Do mean as close as you can come to an OB trawler?

This one is light to very light. The first element of a trawler is weight.
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:25 PM   #32
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According to Marin...there are hundreds if not thousands of outboard trawlers trawling for shrimp at this very moment all over the Southeast US.
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The Coot says, "If I don't smell diesel, I'm not on a trawler." Craig says, "4 bolt overhauls are the best thing about outboard motors."

Second both motions - which makes me hope we see diesel outboards in my lifetime.
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It's a bit of an old story so I could easily be misremembering details but apparently the yacht owner owned a yard in Texas and tore the running gear off in Florida. Pitched a fit about the quote, called his people to bring their tools and his outboards out from Texas and make it happen.

It definitely made it part way then I lost interest and stopped following the saga. This stunt was more about hubris then saving money.

ssobol, 4 bolt overhauls are the best thing about outboard motors IMO.
That totally sounds like something OJ Young would do...and if that is the real story, I'd bet good money that he is the guy! Next time I see him I will ask him!!!
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Old 08-08-2015, 01:23 PM   #35
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That totally sounds like something OJ Young would do...and if that is the real story, I'd bet good money that he is the guy! Next time I see him I will ask him!!!
Snoop around Seabrook and see if you detect a 65' boat that looks like it had outboards mounted on it's platform...lol
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Baker I hope it is him because I'd love to know how that thing worked out. I'd honestly forgotten about it until B&B brought it up.
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The Coot says, "If I don't smell diesel, I'm not on a trawler." Craig says, "4 bolt overhauls are the best thing about outboard motors."

Second both motions - which makes me hope we see diesel outboards in my lifetime.

They have been around for a while now Google "diesel outboard motor" for info.
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Wouldn't want a diesel OB. Diesel engine noise is hard enough to isolate in an inboard boat and darn near a hopeless task on an OB. But perhaps technology will solve that.

Another big negative for diesel OBs is weight. Putting the engine "outboard" of the boat aft is very bad for weight distribution. Center of the boat is the best place for something that heavy. OBs do it but they are lighter than a diesel would be. But the weight of the engine may help keep the small prop in the water.
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They have been around for a while now Google "diesel outboard motor" for info.
They've been around but they're not around...lol. Not that they don't exist, just they haven't gained any meaningful market share due to their shortcomings.
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I think if "outboard" is modified to mean "not inboard" -- as opposed to imply hanging dead off the stern somewhere -- the concept is workable.


Some kind of enclosure, maybe. Some kind of lifting mechanism so they can be trimmed up out of the water during periods of non-use. (Or maybe a reinvention that allows the gear leg to stay submerged all the time a la pods.) Stuff like that. (Somebody -- Tiara? Pursuit? - has enclosed a stern-mounted outboard.)


But the biggest challenge for me would be that it forces use of gasoline, not my preference. As others have said, outboard (or let's call 'em "bolt-on") diesels, maybe. With inventions that mitigate noise, etc etc etc.


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