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Old 08-13-2016, 05:29 PM   #161
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Mainsail??

Fly bridges are for ice cream boats.
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Old 08-13-2016, 05:43 PM   #162
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Well...my ice cream boat has travelled around 10,000 miles in the last 5 years I have owned it.

How are the sorta sailboat, sorta powerboats doing these days?
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Old 08-13-2016, 08:20 PM   #163
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For visibility, the only thing better than a flybridge is a tower. That said, is used at least 10 x more than the flybridge. The tower gets more use than the flybridge too.
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Old 08-13-2016, 10:08 PM   #164
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For visibility, the only thing better than a flybridge is a tower. That said, is used at least 10 x more than the flybridge. The tower gets more use than the flybridge too.
I could never handle a tower. I will not walk up the steps to it. I know there's nothing to it, but it's one of those heights I can't deal with.
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If visibility is the reason for the FB there's not much of a case for them. Most boats seem to be fine to OK on visibility. Look at all the stuff many to most trawlers have on the foredeck to look through or around. If visibility was an issue many would clear the deck. And I don't see that happening.

NT had it right for years .. no stink'in FB. Mark taught me how to talk like that.
OK I've stired the pot enough. Fly bridges are fine as long as the boat's big enough. Something like a GB 36 and similar. Put your saws and claw hammers away ... no FB to remove. I'm still glad someone removed Willy's FB.
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Old 08-13-2016, 10:32 PM   #166
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Helm Station Redundancy = Safety-Backup-Helm[s]

I pilot 99.5% on bridge. Start and warm up engines 90% of the time via lower helm in salon so I can listen to engines.

Each helm position has it's high points. For me, upper helm is much preferred to operate from. Lower helm is greatly useful while having salon engine compartment hatches wide open when servicing engines with needs to have them running and put into different rpm or transmission gears.

Having a bridge helm with full dials is just about my #1 boat requirement. Having two fully dialed helms is just about #2!
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When I was younger, we called it a flying bridge. And that is what it feels like - flying. Put me in the "must have a flying bridge" category.
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Mainsail??

Fly bridges are for ice cream boats.
Auscan's boat is a motor-sailer Eric...
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Old 08-14-2016, 06:08 AM   #169
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Also twice the failure points (steering, shifting and throttle controls).

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Old 08-14-2016, 08:41 AM   #170
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Also twice the failure points (steering, shifting and throttle controls).

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Via your statement regarding two helm-control stations aboard a boat - "Also twice the failure points". I bet you don't like twin screw either. How about twin heads on a boat??

Looking at things in relation to the aside type statement of a "glass half full or half empty" represents a static approach. In reality the fullness (i.e. level of specifics) of that "glass" is that it is nearly always 100% dynamic with its "fullness" level constantly in a mode of flux. Therefore... two is often better than one on most realms of appreciated (sometimes necessary) redundancies so that the "glass" best as possible is never let reach the low, low level of completely empty... even for a dynamic second!

Regarding the general plan of creation: Please note that humans (and, most living, breathing entities on planet Earth) were designed to have available a nearly perfectly balanced Roschach Inkblot type of useful outcome. Wherein we have two opposites (redundancies) of many needed exterior appendages... including arms, hands, legs, feet, eyes , ears... etc...... Even trees have similar redundancy of branches on opposite sides to accommodate the useful balance that gravity provides.

Now it is true in relation to as you mention "... twice the failure points." However - Redundancies for most items create a balance (chance of use and continuation) that can not be beaten, especially by having just one item available - of nearly anything!

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Via your statement regarding two helm-control stations aboard a boat - "Also twice the failure points". I bet you don't like twin screw either. How about twin heads on a boat??

Looking at things in relation to the aside type statement of a "glass half full or half empty" represents a static approach. In reality the fullness (i.e. level of specifics) of that "glass" is that it is nearly always 100% dynamic with its "fullness" level constantly in a mode of flux. Therefore... two is often better than one on most realms of appreciated (sometimes necessary) redundancies so that the "glass" best as possible is never let reach the low, low level of completely empty... even for a dynamic second!

Regarding the general plan of creation: Please note that humans (and, most living, breathing entities on planet Earth) were designed to have available a nearly perfectly balanced Roschach Inkblot type of useful outcome. Wherein we have two opposites (redundancies) of many needed exterior appendages... including arms, hands, legs, feet, eyes , ears... etc...... Even trees have similar redundancy of branches on opposite sides to accommodate the useful balance that gravity provides.

Now it is true in relation to as you mention "... twice the failure points." However - Redundancies for most items create a balance (chance of use and continuation) that can not be beaten, especially by having just one item available - of nearly anything!

Happy Redundancy Daze! - Art
You really need to consider a reduction in caffeine.

2 heads don't adversely impact each other (if properly setup). A failed helm pump or hose, a jammed shift or throttle cable can definitely impact the whole system.

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Old 08-14-2016, 09:14 AM   #172
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You really need to consider a reduction in caffeine.

2 heads don't adversely impact each other (if properly setup). A failed helm pump or hose, a jammed shift or throttle cable can definitely impact the whole system.

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If visibility is the reason for the FB there's not much of a case for them. Most boats seem to be fine to OK on visibility. Look at all the stuff many to most trawlers have on the foredeck to look through or around. If visibility was an issue many would clear the deck. And I don't see that happening.

NT had it right for years .. no stink'in FB. Mark taught me how to talk like that.
OK I've stired the pot enough. Fly bridges are fine as long as the boat's big enough. Something like a GB 36 and similar. Put your saws and claw hammers away ... no FB to remove. I'm still glad someone removed Willy's FB.
Not going to find a better bluewater small boat than the classic 31 Bertram



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Also twice the failure points (steering, shifting and throttle controls).
as opposed to having a single point of failure?
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Indeed,
The old (1961) Bertram 31 is a gem. But I don't think the "Moppie" (the actial boat that won the Miami offshore race) had a FB. In really rough going at high speed the FB would be stupid. And excluding the visability issue any boat would be a better sea boat w/o a FB.
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My 1973 31' Uni was a sweet baby with big area fly bridge. Have taken film crews onto SF Bay for trailers on films regarding saving sea life. Filmed right off the roomy bridge.

Personally - stable, roomy FB is # 1 in my requirements for any boat much longer that 25'.
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Peter .. I see.
How odd it is for me not to think of sails and booms on trawlers. Never seen a picture of his boat w a sail up. And I just don't think of sailboats.

I do really like his (Auscan's) comment about visibility at high angles of attack. Didn't think of that but some run this way on a regular basis. But again I usually don't think of trawlers running around w their bow up. But Auscan did even though he's got a sailboat. Good call IMO.
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The old (1961) Bertram 31 is a gem. But I don't think the "Moppie" (the actial boat that won the Miami offshore race) had a FB. In really rough going at high speed the FB would be stupid. And excluding the visability issue any boat would be a better sea boat w/o a FB.
How many times does a "Pleasure Boat" (99.9% of what is discussed on TF) get into really rough seas??? As compared to the nearly 100% of the time watching the weather conditions and playing around in calm seas - On A Flying Bridge!!??

Everyone should get serious and realize that Fly Bridge is a cool, fun, useful addition for "Pleasure Boats". At least that's my humble opinion!!
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My 1973 31' Uni was a sweet baby with big area fly bridge. Have taken film crews onto SF Bay for trailers on films regarding saving sea life. Filmed right off the roomy bridge.

Personally - stable, roomy FB is # 1 in my requirements for any boat much longer that 25'.
Interesting bow line tie Art. One of your ceeative moments I'm sure. Haha sometimes we make do w what lines we have. Or what cleats we find. Bull rails .. Love'em.

The Uniflite 31 and 27 are my favorite Uniflites.

Re your 77 Art .. Like I said flybridges are for ice cream boats. Fun boats.
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The old (1961) Bertram 31 is a gem. But I don't think the "Moppie" (the actial boat that won the Miami offshore race) had a FB. In really rough going at high speed the FB would be stupid. And excluding the visability issue any boat would be a better sea boat w/o a FB.
Again take it up with these guys just for starters...

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[QUOTE=Nomad Willy;469543]Interesting bow line tie Art. One of your ceeative moments I'm sure. Haha sometimes we make do w what lines we have. Or what cleats we find. Bull rails .. Love'em.

The Uniflite 31 and 27 are my favorite Uniflites.

Re your 77 Art .. Like I said flybridges are for ice cream boats. Fun boats. And before you say something work boats have the FB for reasons not pretaining to fun.
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