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Old 08-09-2016, 06:24 PM   #81
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Nope...the two of us will be photographing.

Couple days ago we saw a grizzly crossing a 1nm section of Gardner Canal, and sea lions feeding from what spilled out of the mouths of humpback whales. No way she's going to pass on those opportunities, or me if I had the right camera/lens combo!!!

Calm days? Enough...google 'Kitimat', click on map, then pan out
You missed the point. Try standing there with the wife driving for a half hour to see it the amount of roll is tolerable or what would be required to make you feel stable on the roof.

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Flybridge that wants to be a pilothouse. Glass windshield, full heat and air (2x16,000 btu). Great view. Accessed by stairs.

I don't have a lower helm, and I haven't missed it yet.
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:19 PM   #83
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I solved the problem of choosing! It is nice to spread out a blanket for a nap though.
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:20 PM   #84
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You missed the point. Try standing there with the wife driving for a half hour to see it the amount of roll is tolerable or what would be required to make you feel stable on the roof.
Right.

Let's see...calm, flat conditions or protected nooks and crannies, it's a go. Thirty knot winds with waves rebounding off steep shores, no.

I get your point, but obviously "safety first" would be at top of mind.
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Old 08-09-2016, 08:00 PM   #85
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A flying bridge is a delight---------a delight for the dermatologists.
Come on, Don! A lot of fly bridge boats have protection from the sun & weather! (Not to mention great visibility when in close quarters.)
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:28 PM   #86
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Wifey B: The winning answer.

Now, define "bit of nookie"? That could lead to a wreck. Not that I'd ever do it but I've heard of people doing it while driving a car.....
Years ago there was a sailboat in English Bay that changed its name after squaring off its pulpit on the side of a freighter.
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Codger, don't like the ladder, but at least it has handrails. Prefer the deck view when docking.
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:20 AM   #88
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"A lot of fly bridge boats have protection from the sun & weather! (Not to mention great visibility when in close quarters.)"

But its one HECK of a run to pass a dock line or release an anchor from the Oxygen Tent!
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Codger, don't like the ladder, but at least it has handrails. Prefer the deck view when docking.
Mark, believe it or not, I prefer the ladder over molded in steps (the ladder is easier for the wife & me) & the "deck view can't compare with the fly bridge view!
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But I'm glad some PO whacked the FB off Willy. Considered it a positive feature when I bought the boat. A good boat will have an excellent lower helm. But there are some that don't. The weight aloft is very objectionable IMO and can do w/o the windage too.

Think about it. If you were designing the best boat you could and someone came along and said "naw that's not best .. Lets raise the CG and put a sail up to challenge the skipper when maneurving around harbors". "And lets put the people where rolling motion is severe at times and at least maximum"

Clearly a stupid thing to do. So how does that become smart when the designer puts on a FB?
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So how does that become smart when the designer puts on a FB?

After about the third time you wrap a crab pot warp around your shaft. Especially if one of those times happens to pull the shaft out of the boat.

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But I'm glad some PO whacked the FB off Willy. Considered it a positive feature when I bought the boat. A good boat will have an excellent lower helm. But there are some that don't. The weight aloft is very objectionable IMO and can do w/o the windage too.

Think about it. If you were designing the best boat you could and someone came along and said "naw that's not best .. Lets raise the CG and put a sail up to challenge the skipper when maneurving around harbors". "And lets put the people where rolling motion is severe at times and at least maximum"

Clearly a stupid thing to do. So how does that become smart when the designer puts on a FB?
Because there is no perfect boat, just one that has the least amount of compromises for each particular owner. Lots of wiggle room in that!
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After about the third time you wrap a crab pot warp around your shaft. Especially if one of those times happens to pull the shaft out of the boat.

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I've seen the aftermath of such an incident and it was not pretty!
The bell housing actually fractured when the shaft was yanked from the coupling...
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Sort of apples to oranges comparison, but check out the hard-core charter boats that fish out of Oregon Inlet, NC. Ninety-five percent of them have a flybridge, and they fish in some of the roughest nearshore conditions on the east coast. Just getting out of the inlet is a white-knuckle experience on some days. The flybridge allows the captain better visibility to monitor the trolling baits, and to spot birds and other sea life. No serious fisherman fishes in marlin tournaments without a flybridge.

Would those Carolina charter boats be more stable without flybridges? Somewhat, but the trade offs in visibility are not worth the marginal increase in the stability.

If you'll watch the Wicked Tuna Outerbanks show that's currently running, you'll see a good side-by-side comparison of Northeast style, non-flybridge boats fishing with the local Carolina sportfishermen. The Carolina boats handle the seas in Oregon Inlet and the surrounding waters better than the Northeast boats, flybridge or no.
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But a FB boat is an inferior boat.

It is, however a better toy.
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Well that confirms it.....
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And a sub will respond more favourably to "green water" over the
bow and decks than any boat I want to be on.

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With SWATH boats you can be stable and have a flybridge or even a tower
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Mark, believe it or not, I prefer the ladder over molded in steps (the ladder is easier for the wife & me) & the "deck view can't compare with the fly bridge view!
I'm generally stairs over ladders, but not when it comes to your ladder. It's really quite nice and is better than most stairs.
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What a great thread you all made! The responses have been excellent and very helpful. Reading through every post allowed me to say, 'yes, me too' or 'no, that's not me.' In the end, it seems the lower helm or pilothouse is a matter of preference rather than necessity.

Again, to all who posted and who might post, from me and all who read this thread, thank you very much for your contributions.
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