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Old 08-15-2016, 08:24 PM   #221
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:24 PM   #222
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Thought I would never quote this source. God, save me!

Origins of the "Flying Bridge"

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Old 08-15-2016, 09:43 PM   #223
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Mom said, "If you don't have something nice to say.....". Everything that came to mind I would probably regret posting later.

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Old 08-16-2016, 05:45 AM   #224
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Seems like someone has been channeling the boy recently.

Boats are by definition purpose built things. A boat not designed well for its particular purpose is poorer boat than one that is.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:10 AM   #225
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Fly bridges aren't ideal from a standpoint of CG and windage. But the critique is fly stuff unless the boat is too small. And many exist. But many may think twice before putting an OB and battery on the FB and then have a bunch of people up there. That's what I like to do most ... get people thinking.

Didn't get me thinking much. I reckon if the NA has done his job and designed a flybridge (or not) into the boat from the git-go, no problem. "Features" (potentially higher windage, etc.) being different from "problems."

That only took me about a nano-second worth of thought; took longer to type.

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Old 08-16-2016, 07:05 AM   #226
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Didn't get me thinking much. I reckon if the NA has done his job and designed a flybridge (or not) into the boat from the git-go, no problem. "Features" (potentially higher windage, etc.) being different from "problems."

That only took me about a nano-second worth of thought; took longer to type.

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Old 08-16-2016, 07:54 AM   #227
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Boats are by definition purpose built things. A boat not designed well for its particular purpose is poorer boat than one that is.
Fully agree, this concept is at the heart of so many of our discussions.
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:34 AM   #228
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Neither are cabins, but I'm not hearing much comment on that weight and windage. Maybe you could convert Willy to center console to get even closer to the waterline. Even on smaller boats, whether a fly bridge may be an issue might depend on how aloft it actually is. If you can stand in the cockpit and look above the FB floor, that's not stretching the aloft factor much at all. And, a simple front shell and a few single seats like on a Camano 31 Troll isn't adding much for either weight or windage. Sure, many are higher and/or heavier, but they are not all to the same degree. Speaking of unnecessary windage effects, putting the kayaks or dinghy on top of Willy probably doesn't help with that either, yet that seems acceptable to you. The term double standard comes to my mind. It does make me think, though, but probably not entirely in the way you intended.

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HAHA .... I was waiting for someone to mention cabins. Very good point but the necessity of cabins is way different than a FB. It could be said that many cabins are too large though.
Good point about the dink too. Well it would be a good point except I actually need some windage high as an alternative to stabilizers. Would like a steading sail at times. And my boat handling would'nt suffer unless I put the windage way fwd. For a 30' boat Willy has a big keel.
But I ai'nt giv'in up my cabin. Actually I'd like to make it bigger .. not taller though.
Mostly though I got you thinking the way I intended. All things that are negative like extra weight and windage aloft should be questioned. But if the ballance of plusses and minuses are objectively evaluated and it comes out positive then all is well and whatever the issue can then be fully accepted until new information becomes available.

But because a NA designed a boat does not mean it's unquestionable. Remember the big yacht that capsized at launch not long ago?

But no the "double standard" does not apply. As I've said at times I considered the fact that a PO removed the FB on Willy years prior to me was a plus. And I've not owned a FB boat. Considered buying boats that did have the FB though. One Chris and I really liked walking about on the FB and aft cabin so if I had bought that one I may have kept the FB. It was about the same size and design as a 36 GB or IG. But if the visibility was good from the wheelhouse I would'nt put a FB on any boat that I can think of.
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Old 08-16-2016, 11:18 AM   #229
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the necessity of cabins is way different than a FB.
What defines necessity of purpose that might exclude FB or tuna towers, but not cabins? Either can be necessary, though obviously not for the same purpose.
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Some certainly appear ungainly. What defines too large for the purpose set by the NA? The cabin of a dock queen might might be too large for use as a coastal cruiser and also too small for use as a house boat. As a dock queen, it might be perfect.
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Good point about the dink too. Well it would be a good point except I actually need some windage high as an alternative to stabilizers
Why is a dink acceptable for needed windage, but not an FB? If the dink were larger as many are, would it still be acceptable?

I think some of that is this:
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But if the ballance of plusses and minuses are objectively evaluated and it comes out positive then all is well and whatever the issue can then be fully accepted until new information becomes available.
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But because a NA designed a boat does not mean it's unquestionable. Remember the big yacht that capsized at launch not long ago?
I remember it. I'm in Anacortes and took pictures of it. From what I recall, removing the FB is not likely to have kept it upright given the other issues with implementing that design. Are you asserting/implying that removing only the FB would have sufficiently corrected those issues?

I certainly agree there are some designs I consider poor or at least not suitable for my purposes, but the existence of an FB is not the determining factor in every case.

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I would'nt put a FB on any boat that I can think of.
I would not add an FB to a boat not designed for it, but the presence is not necessarily a negative either. Sometimes, it is there for a specific purpose as defined by the NA. Imagine trying to fish tuna without being able to look down on the cockpit and at the action behind the boat. How would Willy function as a tuna boat? Of course, it is easy to second guess anyone based on our own personal biases. That should not negate the valid purposes of others, whether we agree with them or not.
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:05 PM   #230
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OK,
If you guys can't see the disadvantage in adding considerable weight and windage aloft on an already heavy trawler type boat .... I'm out.
Tisk...tisk....another inaccuracy...
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OK I see you all just want to bait me and fight.
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:30 PM   #232
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Reread post #185.....
Hey, I am just a lowly ice cream boat owner....to the tune of 2500 miles cruise every year....with flying bridge .....and have managed not to roll over.

Fight?

Naw, it wouldn't be fair anyway....just want people without our experience to know there are 2 sides to the coin. ....and what was already said but might have been missed from many posts back...
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:14 PM   #233
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OK I see you all just want to bait me and fight.
I don't want to bait or fight anyone. I do wish to clarify some claims that have been made to see whether they actually are valid or are just an expression of personal preference. Not having the experience myself, how else would I learn other than by asking questions?
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We're actively looking for a boat to cruise around the great PNW waters. I'm not a semi-pro analyst of naval architecture, but every boat we've looked at has a nice flying bridge. I think these are better "boats" because of that. Grand Banks, Californian & our current favorite: the Bayliner 4788.

I really can't imagine being stuck inside all the time while operating the boat.

I brought this subject up with both my best friends; one is a container ship master, the other is a WSF master. They had a good laugh, and confirmed that these boats (GB, Californian, Bayliner) would be fine in virtually any weather we would encounter whilst motoring about.

The container ship master spent many years moonlighting, delivering new Hatteras' from NC to Seattle. He was amazed that there would even be a discussion along these lines. The ferry master, who spent the first 22 years of his career in Alaska running fishing trawlers ("real trawlers" he says...) agrees.
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