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08-14-2016, 06:54 PM
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#201
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City: Hotel, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Did car designers miss an opportunity to incorporate the FB on cars? You could drive up there nice days, down below other times.
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Oh my gosh Bruce you slay me
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It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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08-14-2016, 07:02 PM
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#202
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City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,329
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CPseudonym
Oh my gosh Bruce you slay me
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Where`s healhustler when we need him?
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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08-14-2016, 07:05 PM
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#203
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Senior Member
City: Florida
Vessel Name: Lady Di
Vessel Model: 2012 Beneteau Swift Trawler 44
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 450
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Did car designers miss an opportunity to incorporate the FB on cars? You could drive up there nice days, down below other times.
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Great idea! It's a hit on boats!
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08-14-2016, 07:06 PM
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#204
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City: Puget Sound
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Ok I've drained the hot tub and will get serious... First since we live aboard I'm looking around the marina and the harbor fully 95% of power boats over 35ft have a fly bridge... A few Sea Rays and a couple of smaller express type boats don't... However to get back to the "ice cream boat" I see when they are not fishing in Alaska most seiners have top houses which is just a enclosed fly bridge... Even the larger gill netters up there have top houses sure some don't, but for most visibility trumps the little increase of instability... I personally operate this old gal from up top 100% of the time.
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08-14-2016, 07:28 PM
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#205
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Did car designers miss an opportunity to incorporate the FB on cars? You could drive up there nice days, down below other times.
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Boat designers have missed the mark by not having true convertibles, 100% automatic. Only a couple of builders have done that.
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08-14-2016, 07:44 PM
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#206
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City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hmason
Do you think there is a remote possibility that the NA actually took the weight of the fly bridge into account when the boat was designed? And, as designed it is quite stable? I have no idea how many fly bridge boats exist, but I do know that if they were inherently dangerous or less than seaworthy there would not be many of them around.
From my perspective, and this is just me personally and not a critique of anyone else's preferences, I couldn't imagine boating from the inside all the time. I love the view, the sounds, and the breeze from the top. However, as I said, that's me.
I have two cars. One is a two-door coupe and the other is a convertible. Guess which I drive when the weather is beautiful (if I can pry it out of my wife's hands)? Is the convertible inherently more dangerous than the coupe? Perhaps, however we assume the risk for the enjoyment. We take a risk just getting out of bed in the morning.
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Not as much as the health risk of staying too long in the bed every morning!! LOL
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08-14-2016, 07:55 PM
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#207
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
Not as much as the health risk of staying too long in the bed every morning!! LOL
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Wifey B: Are you saying too much time in bed is dangerous? Oh, you don't mean the bed is the danger, you mean specifically sleeping?
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08-14-2016, 08:05 PM
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#208
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: Are you saying too much time in bed is dangerous? Oh, you don't mean the bed is the danger, you mean specifically sleeping?
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Wifey B, I figured you might chime in on my statement!
Bed can offer great opportunity for:
1. Needed rest,
2. Wonderful sexercise experiences, or... as you allude to;
3. Too damn much sleep and muscle/joint relaxation.
I know which two we practice regularly!! Yeah Baby!!!
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08-14-2016, 08:09 PM
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#209
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
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HAHA Bruce,
I thought of that .. even Larry and a photoshop.
But I've made my point and think the issue has gotten more attention than it deserves. Perhaps I should be flattered by so much response but I was'nt keep'in up at one point.
To those that took offense .. Sorry.
Fly bridges aren't ideal from a standpoint of CG and windage. But the critique is fly stuff unless the boat is too small. And many exist. But many may think twice before putting an OB and battery on the FB and then have a bunch of people up there. That's what I like to do most ... get people thinking.
Don't over do it Art.
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-14-2016, 08:15 PM
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#210
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: Circuit Breaker
Vessel Model: 2021..22' Duffy Cuddy cabin
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 6,691
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Fly bridges aren't ideal from a standpoint of CG and windage. .
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08-14-2016, 09:54 PM
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#211
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
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HaHa ya got the message Codger.
Go easy on the old horse.
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-14-2016, 10:05 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Seriously, (for a moment), what is the origin of the FB? My suspicion is it came into broader use for game fishing boats, for all round visibility in maneuvers and better forward visibility looking for possible prey. Did Hemingway`s boats have FBs?
Sailing ships had high observation points, the "crows nest" as it was called, early steamships had a semi enclosed post on the mast, both accessible by climbing.
I`m happy without one. My first power boat had a classic FB deck,ladder access,fenced, but no helm fitted. The IG has a proper FB with helm we rarely use it. If I swap the IG for something else, I won`t be concerned whether there is a FB, but would not rule out a boat with FB if the boat is otherwise good, though I`d miss the easy place for panels.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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08-14-2016, 10:20 PM
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#213
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Seriously, (for a moment), what is the origin of the FB? .
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They go back at least to World War I when they were on Warships.
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08-14-2016, 10:22 PM
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#214
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 323
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When you are down below and look out the side door and watch the water going by it seems like you are going faster,when you are up top it feels a lot slower lol
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08-15-2016, 05:16 AM
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#215
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Seriously, (for a moment), what is the origin of the FB? My suspicion is it came into broader use for game fishing boats, for all round visibility in maneuvers and better forward visibility looking for possible prey. Did Hemingway`s boats have FBs?
Sailing ships had high observation points, the "crows nest" as it was called, early steamships had a semi enclosed post on the mast, both accessible by climbing.
I`m happy without one. My first power boat had a classic FB deck,ladder access,fenced, but no helm fitted. The IG has a proper FB with helm we rarely use it. If I swap the IG for something else, I won`t be concerned whether there is a FB, but would not rule out a boat with FB if the boat is otherwise good, though I`d miss the easy place for panels.
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Thought I would never quote this source. God, save me!
Origins of the "Flying Bridge"
Ted
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08-15-2016, 06:50 AM
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#216
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
Thought I would never quote this source. God, save me!
Origins of the "Flying Bridge"
Ted
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its OK Ted.....came upon the same during my search...
And on this particular subject he was probably correct.
At least now we won't get 10 more pages of justification if someone disagrees wit bigger "facts"
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08-15-2016, 06:54 AM
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#217
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
Thought I would never quote this source. God, save me!
Origins of the "Flying Bridge"
Ted
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The Keyboard Driven Ghost Appears, once again! - LOL
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08-15-2016, 07:55 PM
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#218
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Veteran Member
City: Anacortes, WA
Vessel Name: Cape Star
Vessel Model: Roughwater 36
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Fly bridges aren't ideal from a standpoint of CG and windage.
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Neither are cabins, but I'm not hearing much comment on that weight and windage. Maybe you could convert Willy to center console to get even closer to the waterline. Even on smaller boats, whether a fly bridge may be an issue might depend on how aloft it actually is. If you can stand in the cockpit and look above the FB floor, that's not stretching the aloft factor much at all. And, a simple front shell and a few single seats like on a Camano 31 Troll isn't adding much for either weight or windage. Sure, many are higher and/or heavier, but they are not all to the same degree. Speaking of unnecessary windage effects, putting the kayaks or dinghy on top of Willy probably doesn't help with that either, yet that seems acceptable to you. The term double standard comes to my mind. It does make me think, though, but probably not entirely in the way you intended.
Cheers!
Tim
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08-15-2016, 08:02 PM
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#219
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
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Just feeding the fire.....
Though entirely correct.....
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08-15-2016, 08:14 PM
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#220
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Not nice Tim. Plus it inspired another psn "post and delete" jab.
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