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Old 04-01-2012, 12:23 PM   #1
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Opinions wanted.

Hi to everyone. I am new to trawler forums and I wish to get some opinions from you trawler pros on some trawlers and outfitting them. Just a quick background on myself, I have steamed the Great lakes for years. I have piloted vessels from 16í up to 85í on the lake and have enjoyed every second of it.

With that said, my wife and I are looking to make the jump to the sal****er realm. We are planning on purchasing a new trawler in the next year and fitting it to our needs. We will be living aboard this vessel and will be making long voyages, like voyages from Port Charlotte Fl to the Hawaii Island and also do the great loop if and when the mood strikes us.

I am fully aware of the cost of purchasing a new Trawler and outfitting it. We have the capital to achieve our goals, so that is not an issue for us, thank God. We have worked hard to finally enjoy life in our early 50ís

Now here is what I have come up with and I would like the Trawler Proís input to see what their opinions are.

Vessel. The New Fleming 78.
Spec. Out with some of these options.

Fuel Tanks 3,500 USG. Water 500 USG. Black Water 250 USG. Gray Water 250 USG.
2 Lube oil tanks 95 USG
2 ONAN EQD 32 KW 60 hz Generators.
Power plant. Twin Man V12 1550 Hp
Furuno. 3D (Main)
Garmin Plotter (Back up)
Radar X7 96nm
Autopilot (Not sure yet on brand)
Sonar (Not sure yet on brand)
Radio VHF (Not sure yet on brand)
Tender minim of 15í
Plus all safety items that will be needed.

If you have a different opinion on the Fleming 78 or any of the other equipment, please specify your reasoning as to why or why not. I do understand that everyone has their own opinion of their favorite vessels but that is not what I am looking for. I am looking quality, safety, longevity but most of all a vessel that fits our needs. Iím sure Iíve left out many features that may be needed but this makes a good start for me to continue my research on trawlers and all desired equipment. Thank you for your time and patience.

Cordially,

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Old 04-01-2012, 12:41 PM   #2
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2 people? The "kids are coming to visit",, yea right.

If you are going to be on the boat long term a vessel this size will need a paid crew just to wash it,.

Dockage at $5.00 a ft in many areas is a big money pit.

50ish is far easier to be a slave of , after all retirement is supposed to be about kicking back , not becoming a boat boy.

2 ONAN EQD 32 KW 60 hz Generators.

You might contemplate two different sized noisemakers , big when 5 or more air cond are online with the freezers & scuba compressor & water maker.

Say 6KW for piece at night with minor loads.

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Hey FF. Good point on the 6Kw. I will look into that.. Thanks. As far as $5.00 per foot being a money pit and a grew to wash her down.. Being able to afford a new vessel that size I am not worried about $5.00 a foot my friend.. But thanks for the input. And yes we will be having guest aboard alot..
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:03 PM   #4
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Wow. A Fleming 78 would be a very nice vessel indeed.

A couple of comments:

The fitting out of the boat will depend a lot on whether you plan of spending your time primarily at anchor or at a dock; FF's comment re generators speaks to that.

Re the dinghy, if room allows I would suggest getting two, one distance running, e.g., a RIB with 30-50 HP, and something for close in exploration, such as a rowing Whitehall or kayaks.

Sounds like you're ready for a great adventure!
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:14 PM   #5
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Conrad. Thanks for your input.. To answer your question. hit and miss. We will spend at most a week at one place (that is if we like it.) Dock or anchored. Our plan is to keep on moving as must as we can.. I have thought about the second tender and a Kayak as well.. Always best to have 2 for supplies my freind and something to explore with.

The Fleming I thought was the best one. Low profile and the draft is good for the Keys and the Bahama. Thanks for you input.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:24 PM   #6
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There are some great articles on choosing a trawler at www.nordhavn.com

One of the main points I remember is their advice to choose the smallest vessel that will suit your needs.

Remember that you will be manuvering the boat to get fuel, provisions, etc...

A boat that size will be difficult to get dockage for. The draft will eliminate many nice places to visit. I have a hard time imagining taking a boat that size around the great loop.

Having paid crew onboard might be something you can afford, but do you really want to loose the privacy of being alone on your boat?

At least you're thinking about it instead of just writing a check. Thats a good start.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:33 PM   #7
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The builder generously provides that boat's performance curves showing fuel consumption rates and range.

Fleming 78 Perfomrance Curves

Anyone know how long one would be tied up to the fuel dock to take on 3000 gallons of fuel?

Hfoster, will you be starting your cruising in Taiwan?
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I know that you are not looking for other boat suggestions, but when I saw your comment about long distance voyaging, including Hawaii, I wonder how suitable the Fleming is. Their site suggests a 2000 mile range at 10 knots; slowing down would improve the range but it would be tight.
Soooo....have you looked at Norhavns or Dashew FPB 64's?

Fleming, by the way, does not refer to his vessels as trawlers!
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Ksanders. Thanks for you input. I have look at Nordhavn. Great Vessels but a bit to much on the air draft for me. As far as the Great loop with a Vessel that size. I know I cannot take that last leg of the Erie canal. To much air darft. But I am looking to get to Lake Eire in the summer time and the F-78 will do that for me.

As far as handling Her.. I took a F-75 out at Burring yachts.. With the the front and aft thrusters she hadle pretty good in tight spaces. Sure there will be some spots that will be a nightmare so I have to pick and choose the right spots. The draft is not that back on F-78. at the most 6'. With a Nordhavn 7+ feet due to her full displacement. So I ruled her out along with the K.K's. Yes I am thinking about it. It's easy to write a check, but harder to know what you are writting it for!

Thanks for your input!
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Fleming, by the way, does not refer to his vessels as trawlers!
Many/most of the participants in this forum have boats capable of greater than hull speed so aren't (nonfishing) "trawlers" either.
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Conrad. Yeah it might be a bit much with the fuel spec at 10 knots to make that trip. From the spec sheet and with chatting with Burring yachts that say she will make it... (Like they will really know what that sea will be like at that time.) I did see though that at 8 knots your range is upped to around 2,800 to 3,000 nm with the Man v12... That remainds to be seen as yet. Hawaii is around 2300nm from the weatcoast, give or take. So with that in mind.. I may see if I can up my fuel tanks to 4,000 USG or drop down to small powerplant. I am not a big fan on Man. But hey if you take care of your power plant then it should take care of you.

Thank for the tip on the other Vessel I will check it out.!
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I would look very closely at the Dashew, as on first blush the austere bare aluminum look may suggest a lack of sophistication or luxury. It is a very sophisticated vessel.
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Other equipment I'd want to consider for long passages:

Watermaker
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Markpierce.. A good friend of mine has a old shimp boat with a 3,200 USG fuell tank. it took around a 1hour to fill her using a 4" hose from a Fuel tank Truck.

Will make the trip to Taiwan as she is being built but will do the sea trials are Burring when the order is placed.
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Thanks FlyWrite.. I will look in to that... What brands would you use?
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Will do Conrad. and Thanks.
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Here's more food for thought...

Instead of thinking that you need this certain size boat, or this certain size and brand of boat...


I'd be thinking about how many people I am going to really have on board.
Do you want or need a regular ships office?
What on board activities do you see yourself doing?
Do you want a paid captain and crew on board all the time?

From this you can determine how many staterooms and other ammenities you need. This will dictate the size of boat you need. Then and only then go brand shopping.

My concern here is that you might be getting into a larger vessle than you'll be happy with for two person exploring.

I've had allot of boats and have learned that as we went to larger and larger boats we've been more comfortable of course but we've also lost the ability to tuck into small places, and find an easy place to dock for example.

If you've already purchased the Fleming then of course this doesn't matter. Fit it out with every gadget to make it self sufficent.
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Thanks FlyWrite.. I will look in to that... What brands would you use?
I've never researched these items since they are well outside my realm of 'boating'. In the CA Delta, we never leave cellphone coverage, let alone sight of land. But I'm sure there are several experienced mariners here who can help in that regard.

I hope you keep us updated periodically with the progress of your purchase and travels so we can all live vicariously through your experiences.
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Fleming

You have probably have already read Tony Fleming's stories at Fleming Yachts - Tony's Adventures. A great read as Tony love photography. Venture I did the Pacific Ocean with his second boat Venture II doing the Atlantic Ocean. A lady who works for us and her other half did the trip around Iceland with him on Venture II. They had a great time! Both of Tony's personal boats are Fleming 65's.
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Ksanders. That is a every good point. 6 to 8 people on board beside my wife and I on week trips. Long trip 4 to with my wife and I. 3 state rooms plus a crew cabin that sleeps 2 and one of state room that will sleep 3 if needed. The one of the reason why I want the Fleming is that bill it as a couples vessel. Easy to handle for a couple as they say. With it's low profile and the test runs I have made with a F-75 we had no trouble handling the 75 with just the 2 of use. Docking and all. As far as a full time crew. No.. The day we cannot handle her is the day we go back to dirt.. LOL we both are 50 so I do not see that happening for sometime Knock on teck wood! lol

My wife and I are both hard workers.. So activies will be working the vessel and taking care of her during the day... Night time is kick back and relax and enjoy the furits of a hard days work.. Thanks for your input
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