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Old 03-01-2016, 10:15 PM   #1
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Ocean Alexander Gelcoat issues

I was looking at buying a 2003 456. Good looking boat except the gel coat is real bad shape. Looks like the boat is 40 years old, on the outside. Worst i have seen. Mechanics and interior are Good. I had a body man over to look at boat today and he said he could paint The whole thing, but would take weeks of prep and would cost in the neighborhood of $50K to paint. Of course this means it could easily cost more by the time the work is done.

Has anyone with an OA with bad gelcoat ever had such a large project done, and did it last? I am wondering about putting $40-50k into the boat and if it will last. Looking at using awlgrip.

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Old 03-01-2016, 10:23 PM   #2
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Gordon, I am working on my boat now and we are in that phase now. Click on the link in my sig. Where are you, some time a trip to another part of the country could save a lot of money.
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:47 PM   #3
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I was looking at buying a 2003 456. Good looking boat except the gel coat is real bad shape. Looks like the boat is 40 years old, on the outside.
Those are nice boats and I really like the 456+3, if you've ever seen one. Sounds like this one has probably never seen a lick of wax in it's 12-13 years.

If everything else is good, but you gotta wonder, then beat up the seller for a proper restore job. If you don't someone else will. Then either get it done or stash the money aside and work at it yourself. Lots of old boats, once gone like that need a constant going over which I would be doing on the hook. See what happens. Then think about new gel coat or Awlgrip.

Sit tight, O C Diver might give you some good direction.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:17 PM   #4
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Perhaps a bad over enthusiastic acid wash?
Even if you get a good allowance you still have the hassle of getting it painted. I`d rather have gelcoat than paint, and while there are variables, paint may not be as enduring as unmolested well cared for gelcoat.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:30 PM   #5
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i have actually seen numerous OAs from the 90s and early 2000s that have egregious Gelcoat issues. This has nothing to do with acid or washing.

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What are the gelcoat issues? Is there cracking? Is it worn thin? I am another fan of the 456 classic
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:56 PM   #7
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Pics of gelcoat issues

Here are some pictures of the gelcoat. I have seen the same problem with other OAs. It seems the OSA people make good looking boats, but their gelcoat is an iffy proposition, especially those made around the turn of the century. I am attaching some pictures of the gelcoat job. Remember that this is a 2003.

OK, no pics. I tried several times to up load boat no success
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:58 PM   #8
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Maybe this time it will work

Lets see if the pics come this time
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From your pics, it looks like you have cracking in some stress areas? If that is the case, perhaps gelcoat is too brittle to withstand the flexing of the FRP itself? Have no experience with that kind of cracking, but I do with boat painting. Yep, a good Awlgrip job can be expensive. But I would check with a boat paintshop rather than an auto body guy (if I understood your original post correctly). They may also have some options for repairing the gelcoat. But, if you paint, my experience with Awlgrip is that you can get at least 10 years out of it with a bit of care. Some manufacturers routinely painted, Hatteras comes to mind.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:36 PM   #10
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THD,

No, I was not talking with an auto body man, it was a boat painter. The whole boat looks like the pictures I sent you. Gelcoating is out of the question. It will have to be painted. My current boat's Imron is 10 years old and still shines like new. I would hope that with a little care, Awlgrip would last as long?

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Old 03-02-2016, 01:42 PM   #11
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gelcoat issues

One more picture to give you all a better idea of the issues.
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When you talked about paint and Awlgrip, I assumed incorrectly all you had was fading, chalking, sun damage. Not what you pictured.

Are you thinking an overhaul by pail will do the trick? Just paint over it?
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Hawgwash,

I am not going to do it, I will let a professional do it. Lots of sanding, filling, fairing and then painting, as I understand the process. What I am wondering, is, how long the paint job will last if I care for it, or will this be the gift that keeps on giving?

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That's looking worse than poor IMO.
Did you check the FRP? Any delamination or osmosis?



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How long a paint job lasts is entirely dependent on how good a prep job the yard does. I'd do some serious shopping around for recommendations. In your area, I have seen some of the work done by Atlantic Yacht Basin in Great Bridge and it was top notch. The price sounds about right for a proper job; they'll have to take the hull down to bare glass to begin with.
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Gordon, is that Fly 'N' Fish in Pompano Beach?
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Waddenkruiser,

This is all above the water line, do don't think osmosis is a problem, nor delamination. I think it was just a bad job of gel coating and leaving the boat in the Bahama sun 365 that did it.

Caltexflanc, thanks for the tip. I already have an estimate from Atlantic Yacht Basin. I don't own the boat yet, trying to decide whether the price is low enough to make me go ahead.

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Yes it is. Are you familiar with the boat or did you just see her on yacht world?

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Yes it is. Do you know the boat?

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Yes it is. Do you know the boat?
No, but I'm wondering if this might have contributed to some of what you see.
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