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Old 06-18-2016, 07:47 PM   #121
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Reading the above just validates the need for a full Inquiry into the sinking with all available information. Adversarial exploration of the material by interested parties should ensure the Inquiry gets to the cause(s) of the event and finds the remedial action to avoid repetition, to the extent that is possible, so something positive comes out of the disaster.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:01 PM   #122
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My posts are simply my opinion based on a civilian (and military) experience base that I assure you is more wide ranging than you or anyone else understands. (Sounds arrogant, and I don't mean it that way). .
Yes, it does. lol. Just don't underestimate that others here have more wide ranging experience than you are aware of. It's a two way street. Psneeld's experience in that regard is very extensive. Meanwhile others have experience working for companies similar to TOTE and others have experience with the investigative process and with liability issues of employers and employees. That's what makes the board what it is, is people with varied experience. So, when one claims they're the only ones with enough to know or be right, even if that's not their intent, it doesn't make sense. There's a lot of community knowledge here.

Sometimes it's even simple things that just happen. For instance, I'm fully knowledgeable regarding the forecasts and path of Joaquin. Why? Simply because I was coming down the East Coast at the time and following it closely as was another Captain on here taking a similar route south. Now as it turns out neither of us got any of Joaquin, just a lot of the other storm that hit SC and NC. We do follow most hurricanes to some degree though since we live in Fort Lauderdale and have boats there.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:03 PM   #123
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I have my blinders on, yet there's been several examples given when it comes to shore side pressures..... yea ok.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:18 PM   #124
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I have my blinders on, yet there's been several examples given when it comes to shore side pressures..... yea ok.
No one has said that doesn't occur. In fact, I think the vast majority of us believe it does. What we don't know is what role it played in the El Faro sinking.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:43 PM   #125
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A major roll...
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:56 PM   #126
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I would just like to say that my opinions are based on years of absolutely no relevant experience. In the TF realm, I think this makes me eminently qualified on any subject.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:58 PM   #127
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I would just like to say that my opinions are based on years of absolutely no relevant experience. In the TF realm, I think this makes me eminently qualified on any subject.
Wifey B: Can you prove beyond a doubt you have no relevant experience?

I'm having an Irish dinner in an Irish Pub. First time ever for that so that should qualify me.
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Wifey B: Can you prove beyond a doubt you have no relevant experience?

I'm having an Irish dinner in an Irish Pub. First time ever for that so that should qualify me.
The appropriate documentation of lack of experience can be provided on request.

Irish Pub food is surprisingly good provided that it is accompanied by Guiness.
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:20 PM   #129
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The appropriate documentation of lack of experience can be provided on request.

Irish Pub food is surprisingly good provided that it is accompanied by Guiness.
Wifey B: Not drinking Guiness but much of the food has a Guiness demi-glaze. Shepherds' Pie, Fish and Chips, Irish Stew, Corned Beef and Cabbage, Irish Bangers and Guiness Pot Roast. They also have chicken and steak with the Guiness glaze on some sort of Potato Pancake called a Boxty. We have 8 people so most of those dishes were eaten at our table. No corned beef and cabbage. We didn't want stinky stuff at the table.
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Ah, sounds good! There is an "Irish Pub" near us and my fave is the shepherds pie.
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:33 AM   #131
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How do you know the captain was given wrong information?
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Do you really believe that the captain deliberately took that ship into path of that storm?. No job is worth a life and he knew that. Accusing that captain of risking life of his crew - under pressure from that company - is sick.

I have no idea, and I made no accusation. I don't know what the Captain knew, and I don't know who decided what. I know the eventual track of the ship, but I don't know what the the decision-makers' knew, or their specific intent.

Do you?

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Old 06-19-2016, 09:22 AM   #132
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Wifey B: Shepherds' Pie, Fish and Chips, Irish Stew, Corned Beef and Cabbage, Irish Bangers and Guiness Pot Roast.
Corned beef and cabbage isn't even Irish.
Just another American bastardization, like the hot dog.
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Corned beef and cabbage isn't even Irish.
Just another American bastardization, like the hot dog.
Wifey B: Are you saying the hot dog isn't American? It must be. You eat it on July 4. Of course it's not German, they eat sauerkraut. I didn't care if corned beef and cabbage was Irish or Cuban, just that it's stinky. How does one eat something that smells soooooooooooo bad. Italian isn't Italian unless you're in Italy. Chicken ain't good unless it's finger lickin' fried. My uncle used to love me, but she died. Dang me, dang me.

This was NW PA Irish....

And I don't think Kentucky Fried Chicken is Kentucky, Fried, or Chicken.
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The Black Box has been recovered.

Recorder from Cargo Ship El Faro Recovered
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Plus some information regarding testimony to date.

USCG Questions El Faros Stability and Cargo Security. Maritime news.
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Old 08-09-2016, 06:49 PM   #136
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Maybe now we will get some final answers to this. I'm sure the family is hoping for something that brings closure to the ordeal.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:27 PM   #137
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Maybe now we will get some final answers to this. I'm sure the family is hoping for something that brings closure to the ordeal.
Closure is something unfortunately people dream of but never really see. In this situation there will always be some unanswered questions. However, even having all the answers doesn't bring the lives back. I've seen many people waiting for an event that they thought would bring closure and finding disappointment that it just didn't give them what they were hoping.

So, I'm sure the family is hoping. I'm sure they're also hoping for information to strengthen their suits if they haven't settled.

It's a bit like the word "Justice". The only justice would bring back 33 lives and that can't happen.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:48 PM   #138
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Will El Faro's Replacement Sail Into Hurricane Matthew?

A second ship operated by Tote, the Perla del Caribe, left Jacksonville late Tuesday afternoon for Puerto Rico

Will El Faro's Replacement Sail Into Hurricane Matthew? - NBC News
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Old 12-13-2016, 02:51 PM   #139
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The NTSB has released the VDR transcripts, NTSB Releases El Faro VDR Bridge Audio Transcript; Opens Investigation Docket – gCaptain

Reading through the transcripts is interesting yet sad since you know what happens in the end. The crew seems to take it all in stride but you can read the tension build as the ship floods, looses power, start listing and eventually goes under. It appear the the crew was able to get off the ship in survival suits and maybe in life rafts and lifeboats.

The Captain was a brave man. There was one other person on the bridge who was having trouble getting out and the Captain stayed behind to try to get that man out. The audio recording ends with them struggling to get off the bridge.

There NTSB reports are here, Accident ID DCA16MM001 Mode Marine occurred on October 01, 2015 in 36 NM Northeast Crooked Island Bahamas, AO United States Last Modified on December 13, 2016 03:12 Public Released on January 03, 2016 18:01 Total 291 document items. The big question is what weather information did they have, what did it say, and when did they have it. That is supposed to be in the previous link but my quick scan of the titles did not get far.

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Old 12-13-2016, 03:01 PM   #140
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Flooding, then a list, then lube oil suction lost caused steam plant to trip. No propulsion, no way to keep ship in a good orientation to the seas. Flooding worsened, list worsened, bow went down.

One heck of a read.
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