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Old 08-23-2016, 01:42 PM   #41
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Having once anchored behind Reedy Island in calm weather ( a "one and done" as far as I am concerned, better spots on the east side of the river) , I wonder where this happened exactly. There is only one safe and marked cut through the dyke.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:07 PM   #42
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Here's the chart: Chart 12311

My story from 50+ years ago happened far to the north, at about the FL 6s 15' "C".

I've anchored several times, south of Pea Patch Island, off of Delaware City, in that area of 6'-7' of water. OK when calm, and no big thing can hit you. Handy before or after traversing the C&D. Beats that Gen Anchorage #4 which is said to be foul-bottomed.

I'd considered anchoring and hiding behind Reedy Island; not as handy to the Canal, and was dissuaded by the dike.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:10 PM   #43
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TT, I had a similar situation with a large Hornblower dinner cruise boat last year coming down the channel. It was several hundred feet long, all light up carrying people, and played havoc with me.


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What is or was the purposes of the dikes in this area?
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What is or was the purposes of the dikes in this area?
Army Corp of Eng attempts to keep the channel from shifting or silting in. No idea why they chose to make them so low.
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Having once anchored behind Reedy Island in calm weather ( a "one and done" as far as I am concerned, better spots on the east side of the river) , I wonder where this happened exactly. There is only one safe and marked cut through the dyke.
I can take a guess that they continued northbound on Liston Range, missing the turn onto Baker Range. Historically that is one of the most frequent crash sites. The other is the very north end of Pea Patch Dike. Those are partially submerged sheet pile cofferdams.
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Greetings,
"... one safe and marked cut through the dyke." Um....I think it's large women in comfortable shoes.. I suspect we're talking about dikes.
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Old 08-23-2016, 04:17 PM   #48
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After a sinking there will be a number of needed repairs. If the engines were pickled soon after the boat was refloated, they may be OK, but pulling the head(s) would a a good idea just to make sure everything is OK. Perhaps one of the biggest issues will be the electrical system (and electronics). In most cases it will need to be completely replaced, particularly if the boat went down in salt water. As far as hull damage is concerned, that is easy to fix and make stronger than before the sinking. What might get expensive is if the topsides were damaged and have to be repainted. In addition, a lot of the fabrics and cushions on the boat will need replacing and there may be damage to interior wood/finishes. Cleaning will also be a big job. A friend's boat ended up on a sandy beach a few years ago. Years later he was still finding sand in the boat.
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Army Corp of Eng attempts to keep the channel from shifting or silting in. No idea why they chose to make them so low.
Thanks, "attempts" must be the operative word. We wintered at Delaware City in 2014/15 and they were running one of the biggest dredging ops there I've ever seen--for months. Wonder what they were thinking when they designed them to be invisible at high tide? Budgets?
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The quoted report from the owner is that" he hit a submerged rock pile just south of reedy island"I reviewed the chart,and don't see any obstructions south of reedy island.What am I missing?
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The quoted report from the owner is that" he hit a submerged rock pile just south of reedy island"I reviewed the chart,and don't see any obstructions south of reedy island.What am I missing?
You are missing a very long extended rock dike. Pretty well marked too though consulting the LNMs is advisable as some marks come and go there.
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Reedy Island Dike, runs quite a distance south, to Red nun #2.

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12311.shtml
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tinped, it's the double-dashed line extending south from Reedy Island. You have to zoom in enough to see it clearly, and even farther to see the labels.

It shows pretty clearly on Google Earth: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Re...!4d-75.5629808

Also, get a load of the line of sunken ships south of the Salem Nuclear Power Plant.
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tinped, it's the double-dashed line extending south from Reedy Island. You have to zoom in enough to see it clearly, and even farther to see the labels.

It shows pretty clearly on Google Earth: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Re...!4d-75.5629808

Also, get a load of the line of sunken ships south of the Salem Nuclear Power Plant.
They were sunk in the early 1900's to create "Artificial Island". Its amazing that the old wood boats still show after all these years.
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see it now,thankyou.The google earth is a great app!
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There is a good "article" on the last page of PMY magazine by David Marlowe with a similar self reflective sentiment. If one is going to operate one's boat on the "edge"(for lack of better description), one has to be able to dissect the incident and learn from it even if it ended in success. There is no perfect "flight"!
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:30 PM   #57
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The quoted report from the owner is that" he hit a submerged rock pile just south of reedy island"I reviewed the chart,and don't see any obstructions south of reedy island.What am I missing?

And that's a perfect example of how "stuff" happens. You didn't see it either on the charts, and would have hit it too.

BTW, it looked to me to always be submerged. I think the chart said covered to 0.5 to 5.9', or something close to that.

The exact location of the incident is pretty easy to find. Go to Ghost Rider's blog and click on their spot tracker. You will see them coming down the bay to the west of the channel, then making a turn west to "head to their anchorage". Then you will see a cluster of locations all together, then nothing. If you plot one of those locations on your chart plotter, it will be right on top of the dyke. As I recall it's nowhere near any passage, so I think a simple case of not realizing what those dashed lines were, followed by a very, very bad day.
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And that's a perfect example of how "stuff" happens. You didn't see it either on the charts, and would have hit it too.

BTW, it looked to me to always be submerged. I think the chart said covered to 0.5 to 5.9', or something ose to that.

The exact location of the incident is pretty easy to find. Go to Ghost Rider's blog and click on their spot tracker. You will see them coming down the bay to the west of the channel, then making a turn west to "head to their anchorage". Then you will see a cluster of locations all together, then nothing. If you plot one of those locations on your chart plotter, it will be right on top of the dyke. As I recall it's nowhere near any passage, so I think a simple case of not realizing what those dashed lines were, followed by a very, very bad day.
The Spot Tracker seems to have lost its spots. Ok so heading for dBay going behind the wall to anchor. There is a narrow marked opening. For some reason, missed the opening. FWIW, they are not the first. I hope they were uninjured.
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At low water most of the jetty has the top rocks exposed. There is an opening in the middle marked with a red and green day marker. That opening is about 100' wide and is the only in/out to the anchorage and shore boat ramp.
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