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Old 02-03-2011, 01:22 PM   #21
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JD wrote:I just don't see why you trash everything that isn't done on the cheap.*
I think what FF is referring to is the articles that were run in PassageMaker and
other maagazines. The articles indicated that there was significant help by the
"Mother Ship" and other boats and in one case a qualified technician actually swam
across to the troubled boat and fixed the problem. When the Nordy 40
circumnavigated the globe, there were various crew changes along the way and
parts were flown in to some of the ports for replacement by the crew. If memory
serves me correctly, an actual representative from one of the suppliers actually flew
over to service another problem. Hell, with help like that I could have made it in
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Old 02-03-2011, 04:09 PM   #22
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JD wrote:I just don't see why you trash everything that isn't done on the cheap.* I think what FF is referring to is the articles that were run in PassageMaker and
other maagazines. The articles indicated that there was significant help by the
"Mother Ship" and other boats and in one case a qualified technician actually swam
across to the troubled boat and fixed the problem. When the Nordy 40
circumnavigated the globe, there were various crew changes along the way and
parts were flown in to some of the ports for replacement by the crew. If memory
serves me correctly, an actual representative from one of the suppliers actually flew
over to service another problem. Hell, with help like that I could have made it in
SeaHorse!
Seahorse,

You are correct that someone did*swim over to the boat that had a problem.* It is all in a video that Nordhavn produced the records the whole trip.*No body was trying to hide anything.*

The mother ship was the 57 Nordhavn and she was traveling with 17 other boats of which 14 of them were Nordhavns beside her self.* The problem on the one boats was*I believe*that the Stabilizers had malfunctioned and they were in pretty heavy seas and the motion on the*problem boat was pretty bad.* So my question to you is if*it were*you*on the boat with the malfunctioning Stabilizers and I had someone on my boat that thought they could fix them and we were all heading to the same place from the same place as buddy boats I should tell you that my guy, who was going to*risk his life to swim over BTW, isn't coming over to fix your problem, you will just have to tuff it out.* This isn't NASCAR.

I just read it again the other day and the crew changes were made to give all of the folks that worked on the project a chance to have some time on board including the sales staff.* It wasn't like the an*ABC broke so we will change crew to put ABC experts on board.* If the parts were not flown to a port how was the boat crew to get them?* By camel express or pack animal.* Sure they were flown in.* My friend just left my house last Wednesday going to his boat in NZ as he sails her*around the world.* He had one suitcase full of hard to get gear that he was flying back with*him.* I guess I should have told him he didn't need that stuff and he just need to be tuff like Magellan.*

As far as the representative of the supplier flying to where the 40 was to fix a problem I'd call that good service from the supplier and good business sense, wouldn't you?* You don't think Cat, Yanmar, Northern Lights, Cummins.... do the same thing for other boat builders.** At one time Hatteras had several crews that did nothing but that kind of work.* One guy that hangs out*around our marina use to get on a plane and fly all over the world to fix deck problems for Hatteras.* He was known for being able to match the crosshatch anti skid pattern so that no one could tell where the repair had been done.* No one.

Maybe your boat could make that kind of trip with that kind of support but there is nothing that says that if you head out on a trip like that you must suffer through all of your problems with out any help.* That is just obsurd.* It*was 2001 not 1492.

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Lawrence - I like the added deck gun ! 'Think I may have posted this before, but here is a shot of my Egg Harbor on days when I don't get along with the Dockmaster. Oh wait ! We don't have a Dockmaster anymore !
Carl: *Love the 50 calibers at the corners. *I think the boat may suffer from a bit of roll when firing a broadside. *Nice job.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:23 AM   #24
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"How many $20k Hats would make it across without repairs."

$20K hats are coastal cruisers ,not pretense "Trawlers" and the number that can run long shore or a simple loop with out hassle is decided by how often the operator will take the ground.

Some of the brand new Hats, $3.5M ones don't get out of the Neuse River with out repairs.

No doubt , its not the basic boats that are the hassle , hulls , engines and trannys are fairly robust, its the extra goodies stuck on that seem to be the demise of the cruise.OR the weeks waiting for parts and a repair guy.

"The point is not that they are bad but they are boats and they do break, no matter who make them or what they cost."

Few boats get worn out from use , what "breaks" is usually an owner add on, and simple redundancy of cheap items , like a spare FW pump or set of belts or impeller solves the problem.

When its the computer to operate the Hyd stabelizers, its a whole different deal.
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JD, excellent points!!! I was thinking the same thing. Things are gonna go wrong..ALWAYS!!!! And having assistance along the way is just part of the deal!!!
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:06 PM   #26
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JD, excellent points!!! I was thinking the same thing. Things are gonna go wrong..ALWAYS!!!! And having assistance along the way is just part of the deal!!!
Thank you. * Exactly. stuff breaks what are you suppose to do stop where you are and sink the boat?

If a boat had the redundancy*that you have on your airplane it would be a different story.

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Baker wrote:And having assistance along the way is just part of the deal!!!
The problem is that the "assistance" you are talking about doesn't come cheap!
I stand by my previous quote. With that kind of "assistance" most of the Forum's
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JD, excellent points!!! I was thinking the same thing. Things are gonna go wrong..ALWAYS!!!! And having assistance along the way is just part of the deal!!!
Thank you. * Exactly. stuff breaks what are you suppose to do stop where you are and sink the boat?

If a boat had the redundancy*that you have on your airplane it would be a different story.

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I have a complete video of the Nordhavn Ralley Atlantic crossing.* They did it in 2 groups.* The smaller, slower boats left first then the faster, larger boats.* This was so that they should arrive at the destination close together.* Also, the bigger boats could help the slower boats.

They didn't just transfer crew members.* They had a physician on board the lead boat.* He had to treat a couple of people during the crossing as well as being available for consultation.* They even transferred water from one boat to another.* They had technicians they put aboard boats with trouble.* I believe Uno Mas is the one with stabilizer problems.

Of course, systems suppliers are going to be very attentive during an event of this sort.* Their service and performance were visible to all the cruising world.* The cost to the participitants varied between $50-100,000.00.* Not cheap.

This is not to say that it was not a fantastic demonstration of passagemaking.* Oh no.* It was just that it was done with a heck of a lot of assistance that Delfin will not have as he starts his circumnavigation of the Pacific.* There are many couples out there doing it alone.* Now, that's what I call gutsy.* They have my respect.

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*I believe Uno Mas is the one with stabilizer problems.

I believe the MV*Egret has been out since then on their own continuing the adventure.* All on there own buck as well.* They have both contributed articles to Passage Maker and other rags as well.

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"There are many couples out there doing it alone. Now, that's what I call gutsy. They have my respect."

There are probably 100X as many folks SAILING on circumnavigations than motoring.Maybe 500 X!

Most are under 45 ft , many under 35ft, None consider it GUTSY ,in many cases its what the boat was built to do.
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There are probably 100X as many folks SAILING on circumnavigations than motoring.Maybe 500 X!

Most are under 45 ft , many under 35ft, None consider it GUTSY ,in many cases its what the boat was built to do.
FF, Power boat, sail boat, or whatever to me world cruising is still gutsy* Self reliance is the name of the game.* The Nordhavn Atlantic Ralley was a great event, but I'm not sure just what it proved.* It had to be great fun, and maybe showed people they could do it.

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"but I'm not sure just what it proved"

With enough money and crutches the autopilot can go from A to B .


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Don,

You are correct about the gutsy part for sure.* I have a friend that is doing it on a 47' Stevens sailboat and he hasn't been a life log sailor by any stretch of the mind.* Yet he has the Wanderlust and is off to see the world.

What it proved is up for grabs.* But it was a great promotion*that got the company name out.* I guess we could say what does Porsche, Audi or BMW prove by racing in the 24 Hours*at Daytona or any other car race for that matter.* It's money squared that usually wins and talk about support.* But the buying public does win in the long run.* Disc brakes that last 60 or 70 K miles are now standard on every car.* Diesel fuel injection that knocks you back in the seat,*gets 40 plus miles to the gallon and has clean air to boot.* Engines that go 300K miles without major overhauls.* Bodies that are better suited to crash standards and are of*lighter weight.

I think the boating public wins when these companies do these kind of things as well.* Suppliers donate stuff that gets real life tested and the like.**Everyone wins, even FF.

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"Engines that go 300K miles without major overhauls"

Automated machining ,better materials , parts selection and assembly are more responsible for long lived engines , that no longer require a break in are a result of manufacturing progress , not racing.

40 MPG? Golly!

My Renault Dauphine 1958 era got 50mpg, my 1980 Diesel Rabbit still goes 44 on the highway.

AHHHH "progress!"
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My Renault Dauphine 1958 era got 50mpg, my 1980 Diesel Rabbit still goes 44 on the highway.

AHHHH "progress!"
The new TDI gets the 40+ mileage and doesn't*use a sundial to time it getting to 80 mph*going down the road.* The Audi TDI wining Le Mans four years in a row is awesome for a diesel period.*The TDI*engine is racing technology.

Renault*sold more*Dauphines than*VW sold Beatles in the early going but they broke so often that didn't last.* The only happy Dauphine owner was the guy that bought one for $300 and gave it to his kid to chase cows in the pasture and could wait for six weeks to get a part.**I mean*besides you FF.
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To get this back on a boating track, buy a new VW Passat TDI.* I need the business.* They are made right here in Chattanooga.* When their employees and suppliers make money they can buy from me.* That will put my people back to work, and I could think about that Fleming!
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JD, I never really thought of it that way. The rally served more than one purpose. One being that Nordhavn was able to see how their boats performed in their target environment with many different "control groups". They were able to see what was up to snuff and what wasn't so they could produce a better boat.

Also, I think the biggest benefit of the rally was to allow people to do a crossing with a group to really see if they or their boat was up to the task. We can argue ad nauseum of how much they could rely on the "support group" mentality. But it did get some people out there to do it and many of those people like went on to do more extensive cruising.
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"and could wait for six weeks to get a part."

I guess thats the difference between living in New York City , and nowhere.

Even a friend with a Panhart could get parts, easily!
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To get this back on a boating track, buy a new VW Passat TDI.* I need the business.* They are made right here in Chattanooga.* When their employees and suppliers make money they can buy from me.* That will put my people back to work, and I could think about that Fleming!
My son just bought a new Jetta -- does that count?


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