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Old 05-22-2016, 03:07 PM   #1
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No microwave oven....???

In my refrigeration thread, I mentioned that we would have to sacrifice the microwave for the Vitrifrigo fridge/freezer.
More "enlightened" members cautioned that the world would end, we would starve, I'd be expelled from the forum, etc. if we went down this route.

Not to be labeled a heretic or even worse stubborn, I decided to do some research and see if perhaps we might find a good compromise.

How about one of these below a gas cooktop?
Microwave Ovens by Wolf | MC24 | Sub-Zero & Wolf Appliances
Then we'd have a microwave/convection oven and a gas cooktop! I can bake bread, thaw frozen hotdogs (or whatever a microwave is used for) and I can cook on gas without firing up the generator in the morning!

Most importantly, we get the cool fridge that I want!

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Old 05-22-2016, 03:21 PM   #2
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Cold beer is much more important than microwave popcorn.....Just sayin...
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That Wolf combo looks great. Can't imagine not having a microwave on a boat let alone a real oven. But then we do a lot more cooking, and complex cooking at that, than 90% of cruisers.
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Bruce, the combination oven does look great. Be sure that the oven performance (what you would really be using) is adequate for your needs. If you are already going to have a propane stove top, then a propane oven is easy and might serve your needs better.

I would never be without the microwave, but don't let our biases move you in a direction you don't want to go.
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I carried a countertop MW for a couple years. Just did not use it very often. Got rid of it and then got a toaster oven. I use that way more often than the MW. Most of my cooking is in a pot or a pan or on the grill, the microwave just got in the way. Microwaves are good if you are in a hurry. In a boat you have PLENTY of time to cook the right way!!
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Playing devil's advocate:

If this is used in place of the oven in the galley picture and under the cook top, ventilation of the unit may be an issue. Microwaves generate a moderate amount of heat that needs to be vented to keep from cooking the electronics. Not an issue if you're nuking something for 10 minutes; possibly a concern if cooking for an hour.

I don't follow land based appliance manufacturers. Any track record of these units or this manufacturer on boats? Corrosion and vibration come to mind first. Not an issue with a $100 microwave (throw away); more important with a $1,000 stove.

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I carried a countertop MW for a couple years. Just did not use it very often. Got rid of it and then got a toaster oven. I use that way more often than the MW. Most of my cooking is in a pot or a pan or on the grill, the microwave just got in the way. Microwaves are good if you are in a hurry. In a boat you have PLENTY of time to cook the right way!!
That was my original contention..
I had my head handed to me (figuratively speaking) so I wondered if a convection oven/microwave might be a better bet later when we get around to selling the boat...
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Microwaves are great for cooking corn on the cob quick.
Wrap in paper towel and cook in a couple of minutes.
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We removed our new microwave/convection oven form our small holiday home kitchen after a month because it generated so much heat into the kitchen and cupboards either side and above. Microwave/convection ovens require a LOT of air ventilation space around them and unless you have a big galley with lots of space I wouldn't be fitting one
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We removed our new microwave/convection oven form our small holiday home kitchen after a month because it generated so much heat into the kitchen and cupboards either side and above. Microwave/convection ovens require a LOT of air ventilation space around them and unless you have a big galley with lots of space I wouldn't be fitting one
Or just ventilate the galley appropriately.
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I wouldn't change my plans because of the comments of others. You may well end up with something you don't like as well.

As to combo convection ovens/microwaves, I've generally not seen any good reviews on them. I'm not familiar with the Wolf specifically. But if you lower the quality of the functions you use to satisfy others with a microwave, that will be a mistake. Again, not addressing Wolf, but true cooks and chefs I know claim that the combo units are not true convection ovens at that point.

Feel free to go against the crowd as you originally planned. We do all the time.
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Hotdogs will thaw in a glass of hot water.
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No microwave on our boat - various reasons valid to us.
On yours - you have your reasons , valid to you.
If you sell in the future, let the buyer decide to change or leave it. By then
there may be something that will make the microwave obsolete.

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Hotdogs will thaw in a glass of hot water.
Any meat thaws better dropped (in a water tight package) into water. Learned long ago at an Omaha Steaks store and it sure makes things easier. 30 minutes to an hour at most.
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Hotdogs will thaw in a glass of hot water.
Or put a stainless steel screw in each end and connect them across your boat's battery.

For anyone who doesn't understand how and when to cook with a microwave oven, there are better places to learn than a boating forum.

We use ours at home and on our boat. It's a big help on the boat and I wouldn't want to be without it.
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Or put a stainless steel screw in each end and connect them across your boat's battery.

For anyone who doesn't understand how and when to cook with a microwave oven, there are better places to learn than a boating forum.

We use ours at home and on our boat. It's a big help on the boat and I wouldn't want to be without it.
I agree and we'd never be without ours. However, if the OP has no unfulfilled need, then he doesn't need one. You add something to have it do something you need or want.
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We've known several people with microwave/convection units and they loved them. Too small for our purposes though:

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That was my original contention..
I had my head handed to me (figuratively speaking) so I wondered if a convection oven/microwave might be a better bet later when we get around to selling the boat...
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It would be much better for resale IF it was still working. Nice thing about a small microwave is that are easily replaceable as was mentioned.

I would not recommend dropping a lot to F money on something you don't think you will use. This is your boat after all, not the eventual next owner's.
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It would be much better for resale IF it was still working. Nice thing about a small microwave is that are easily replaceable as was mentioned.

I would not recommend dropping a lot to F money on something you don't think you will use. This is your boat after all, not the eventual next owner's.
I'm simply trying to work through the possibilities here.
It is unlikely that we will have a microwave on our boat but it is an interesting exercise to work through.

We cook. My wife is good, I'm actually ok. One desire for this boat is that we take full advantage of what to us is a huge galley and use it.
We will figure it out!
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We often cook in advance of a trip and reheat on the water. A microwave serves us well in this function.

Bruce B, tell us about the boat you're contemplating this for. If I installed the Wolf in my boat, I'd never be able to correct the stbd list!!
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