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Old 05-23-2016, 01:11 AM   #21
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In the RV world (where we now spend 5 months each year) Microwave/Convection ovens rule. I have no experience with the Wolf brand name, but only because they are at the high end and we aren't. Lesser brands that I am familiar with have proven to be very durable. They do generate some heat, as noted above.
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Old 05-23-2016, 02:09 AM   #22
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In my refrigeration thread, I mentioned that we would have to sacrifice the microwave for the Vitrifrigo fridge/freezer.
More "enlightened" members cautioned that the world would end, we would starve, I'd be expelled from the forum, etc. if we went down this route.

Not to be labeled a heretic or even worse stubborn, I decided to do some research and see if perhaps we might find a good compromise.

How about one of these below a gas cooktop?
Microwave Ovens by Wolf | MC24 | Sub-Zero & Wolf Appliances
Then we'd have a microwave/convection oven and a gas cooktop! I can bake bread, thaw frozen hotdogs (or whatever a microwave is used for) and I can cook on gas without firing up the generator in the morning!

Most importantly, we get the cool fridge that I want!

Thoughts?
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Bruce, as I must stick my hand up as one of the folk who queried your dismissal of microwaves, (aided in that by Wifey B, who has ducked for cover it appears, ), I would have to say our major use of the microwave is because they are just damn good at reheating stuff. Food left-overs, quick drinks, etc. We would rather thaw in warm water also. Yes, you can also cook with them, and if you only have a gas cooktop, and not a gas oven there already, then the combination microwave could work (adequately ventilated, as others have pointed out, as I expect their insulation is not as good as purpose built convection ovens), but if you were to use it for that as well as just nuking, then you would need to be running the generator more. FWIW, we just let our son take our home kitchen combined microwave, griller and convection oven, when he moved out, and replaced it with a pure nuke oven only, because we found we never used the other functions, having a normal cooktop and oven with grill already.

For mine...for on a boat...unless it is already set up with so much electrics, like ceramic or induction cooktops etc, so the generator would be on most days at anchor, and for lengthy periods, then I would go for a good combination gas oven and cooktop, (like we have now), and just modest sized pure microwave. Having said that, and because we also have a Cobb cooker/BBQ thing for meats etc, we seldom use the gas oven, so depending on what you like to do, the combination microwave/convection plus gas cooktop may well be the way to go.

What cooking set-up is in the boat now. I can't remember if you mentioned that.
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Old 05-23-2016, 04:51 AM   #23
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We often cook in advance of a trip and reheat on the water. A microwave serves us well in this function.

Bruce B, tell us about the boat you're contemplating this for. If I installed the Wolf in my boat, I'd never be able to correct the stbd list!!
Just to fill you in...
We are having an American Tug 395 built. One change we are contemplating is to have the stock Nova Kool freezer/fridge replaced with a slightly larger Vitrifrigo unit. The Vitrifrigo is about an inch wider and something like 4" deeper.
In order to make it fit, it would have to be moved into the space normally occupied by the microwave.

We like the Vitrifrigo, don't ever use the microwave on our current sailboat, don't even own a microwave at home and thought it was an easy decision.
When I posted this here it created such an uproar that I decided to think about alternatives...

One alternative might be to place the microwave/convection oven below the standard propane cooktop...

That is where the Wolf idea came from. We wondered if it might be a way to get an oven in the boat and include the microwave. The oven is far more important to us than the microwave and we wondered if the high end unit would get us a decent oven.

It is not likely to happen for a pile of reasons but it is fun to consider these ideas
now and bounce them around here.

What amazes me is how people have become so dependent on microwaves. You would think they would starve without access to one. We cook and we eat well without a microwave. Things are simply done differently! We boil water, have an air popper for popcorn (or use a pan on the stove!) we reheat food in the oven or in a pan and we like preparing and cooking food. We essentially eat no prepared foods and a microwave is just wasted space...

Believe me when I say that the issue isn't a lack of understanding of how to use a microwave. I've fed myself for years with one. It was about 16 or 17 years ago that I came home with a small convection oven to replace the microwave in our almost new house. It was a trial that never ended.The microwave sat in the basement for about 5 years until finally being donated to my shop for employee use...

I do enjoy seeing the different perspectives though. It is fun to read these threads!
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Bruce, as I must stick my hand up as one of the folk who queried your dismissal of microwaves, (aided in that by Wifey B, who has ducked for cover it appears, ), I would have to say our major use of the microwave is because they are just damn good at reheating stuff. Food left-overs, quick drinks, etc. We would rather thaw in warm water also. Yes, you can also cook with them, and if you only have a gas cooktop, and not a gas oven there already, then the combination microwave could work (adequately ventilated, as others have pointed out, as I expect their insulation is not as good as purpose built convection ovens), but if you were to use it for that as well as just nuking, then you would need to be running the generator more. FWIW, we just let our son take our home kitchen combined microwave, griller and convection oven, when he moved out, and replaced it with a pure nuke oven only, because we found we never used the other functions, having a normal cooktop and oven with grill already.

For mine...for on a boat...unless it is already set up with so much electrics, like ceramic or induction cooktops etc, so the generator would be on most days at anchor, and for lengthy periods, then I would go for a good combination gas oven and cooktop, (like we have now), and just modest sized pure microwave. Having said that, and because we also have a Cobb cooker/BBQ thing for meats etc, we seldom use the gas oven, so depending on what you like to do, the combination microwave/convection plus gas cooktop may well be the way to go.

What cooking set-up is in the boat now. I can't remember if you mentioned that.
The American Tug comes with a cooktop and a microwave oven. There is an option for a propane Force 10 three burner stove with an oven. There is also an option for moving the stock fridge up and eliminating the microwave. This gets the freezer compartment off of the floor.

You had to mention grills didn't you...I want to bring our Big Green Egg MiniMax along but my wife says no! Sigh...I know she's right of course but...

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I am a KISS type , but it is so much easier to put a cup of coffee in the microwave , rather than pour it into a pot and light the gas stove .

No pot to wash for most re heat, saves enough water and effort to justify a microwave $60. and $120 1500w inverter.
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I am a KISS type , but it is so much easier to put a cup of coffee in the microwave , rather than pour it into a pot and light the gas stove .

No pot to wash for most re heat, saves enough water and effort to justify a microwave $60. and $120 1500w inverter.
Bruce, FF just put his finger on it. Simple, quick, low volume heat or reheat, is the microwave's raison d'Ítre. However, as you are doing this as a new build, (looky booger), I would favour the gas (propane) oven and cooktop, and it would have a grill in the oven top as well. So yes...ha ha, here's me telling you what to do in your new boat ...I guess that's me vicariously squeezing a small bit of the fun of setting up a new build by proxy, as it's something I'll never get to do. Now I understand the scenario, you are right to go for the favoured higher/larger fridge/freezer, because you can throw a small microwave in just about anywhere if you decide to. You don't need a dedicated recess or shelf, nice though that might be, and you will not be nearly as pinched for space as on your yacht. I will now butt out...
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Old 05-23-2016, 07:50 AM   #27
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hings are simply done differently! We boil water, have an air popper for popcorn (or use a pan on the stove!) we reheat food in the oven or in a pan and we like preparing and cooking food.
All those things are done faster and much more energy efficiently in a microwave. But if time and money are no object, have at it!
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Old 05-23-2016, 09:22 AM   #28
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Microwave convection ovens are standard issue on many vessels including ours. I've seen them commonly on Nordhavns too. We do not have a so called conventional oven and have never missed it. And we grill on a George Forman.

Turkeys, roasts, brownies etc all can be cooked just fine. But, if you enjoy cooking for a thanksgiving crowd then get a big Hatteras.

On a new build like a AT 395 my preference would easily be an induction cooktop and GE convection microwave. No propane anywhere.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:11 PM   #29
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Today's lunch at home... No microwave!
An egg fried in olive oil on a bed of arugula and a piece of whole grain toast. The sweet peppers are stuffed with some home made hummus!
Delicious, nutritious and it took my lovely wife about 5 minutes to prepare.
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We are full time live-aboards on a 36' Mainship aft cabin model. We had a small built-in micro wave that died on us about a year ago or so. We felt like we had to replace it ASAP. We just couldnt find a small microwave to fit in that spot.
Anyway, we already had a Toaster over and found that we didnt need the micro wave at all. Between the stove-top range, good sized toaster oven, and a nice propane grill on the back deck, we do just fine. We never really missed the microwave and are not even planning on ever getting one. We cook full size meals but are no gourmet cooks.
Hope that little tid-bit of info helped.
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Hi,

FWIW, I'm in the kiss camp, and as such do not feel a need for a microwave at home or on a boat. Cooking is not rocket science, no need for a magnetron.

Good luck with your new boat!
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FWIW, I'm in the kiss camp, and as such do not feel a need for a microwave at home or on a boat. Cooking is not rocket science, no need for a magnetron.

Good luck with your new boat!

Magnetron! That's the ticket. If you don't have a microwave, can you just park the leftovers next to the radar dome for a few minutes to heat them up?
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Shot this picture a couple of days ago at Trawlerfest/Anacortes. The boat is a relatively new Krogen, around 50', not sure exactly.

Really nice looking unit. I believe it is this product:

24" RNB Series Gas Range | Freestanding Range
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Speaking of propane stoves. In the PNW, do fuel docks generally have propane available? So you have a locker with two tanks, when one is empty you switch to the full one and then next opportunity refill the empty?
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Wifey B: I think at least some part of microwave use is generational. Bet for most of you who never use one, your kids do. To each their own. Don't bow to group influence. I'll also admit that I'm a lazy cook. I want the easiest and quickest way. Typical meal for me since we married has been hubby grills the meat and I do the salad and veggies and the veggies are often out of a can. Now we travel with others who do far more cooking. I do spaghetti. That's about as fancy as I get. We're happy with simple meals but some of the things most of you cook, I'd never try. I leave them for our more skillful friends.
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Magnetron! That's the ticket. If you don't have a microwave, can you just park the leftovers next to the radar dome for a few minutes to heat them up?
I don't know about those little boat radar transmitters, but the APA-165 continuous wave transmitter on an F4-D Phantom will heat up a big sammich in 12 seconds. Ask me how I know-
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....do fuel docks generally have propane available? ......
I have never seen a fuel dock with propane but I'm sure it exists somewhere.
I have a 20 lb bottle for my Coleman Camping Stove and another 20 lb bottle for my grill, both located on the rear deck. They never go down at the same time and last us a very long time. In the past 3 years, I have filled one of the bottles each year. We travel and explore somewhat, but not nearly as much as I think we do. When we lived aboard my sailboat we had a propane stove inside and a grill outside and used them a lot since we didnt have electric stove. A 20 lb bottles lasted about 3 months or more.

Propane cooks fast and lasts long. With 2 20 lb bottles, surely you can get by till you have the opportunity to refill. In out-of-the-way strange places, someone will always stop by and offer you a ride.
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Speaking of propane stoves. In the PNW, do fuel docks generally have propane available? So you have a locker with two tanks, when one is empty you switch to the full one and then next opportunity refill the empty?

Not in the PNW, but FWIW -- without my having paid religious attention to availability -- I've never seen propane available on a fuel dock. Hence a new 4-stroke gas outboard when we were shopping; had to decide again the Lehr units...



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... and I do the salad and veggies and the veggies are often out of a can.

Yuck!

But to each her own.



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Yuck!

But to each her own.



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Wifey B: Fortunately, I don't prepare many meals by myself, so all are spared. Maybe once a month on average.

To all of you with frozen veggies, I do hope you're keeping up with all the recalls. It's been huge the past month. Hubby gets emails on all those things.
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I'd like to add myself to the 'meh, I never use my microwave' camp. I don't think I ever used it, actually. I didn't do a lot of cooking on the boat, but when I did, I just used the propane cooktop. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
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