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Old 04-29-2016, 08:23 AM   #81
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The hull structure is more important to me that age and electronic gadgets. While looking for a boat, I look for boat made before 1980. Some models after 1980 to 1984 still have solid hull, but most have cored hull. Newest boats are fragile and little bump can crack the surface fiberglass. When water gets to the core - the boat is gone. Too expensive to fix. It is just me, but I feel more comfortable in my 1974 MT. No core in hull.
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:56 AM   #82
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The hull structure is more important to me that age and electronic gadgets. While looking for a boat, I look for boat made before 1980. Some models after 1980 to 1984 still have solid hull, but most have cored hull. Newest boats are fragile and little bump can crack the surface fiberglass. When water gets to the core - the boat is gone. Too expensive to fix. It is just me, but I feel more comfortable in my 1974 MT. No core in hull.
Hyperbole. Most after 1980 to 1984 have cored hulls? Even today most boats are cored only above the waterline and boats built today are far less likely to have water ingress than those from the past as the techniques and materials are improved. What you're saying may be true for certain builders and boats from certain areas, but not overall. But then comes "Newest boats are fragile and little bump can crack the surface fiberglass" and I don't know where one comes up with that. Fragile? What new boats are you calling fragile? I'm familiar with both top brands and some of the least expensive brands, but haven't heard fragile used to describe any. You crack the surface fiberglass? Are you referring to gelcoat spidering? I've not seen any fiberglass cracked by little bumps.

If you like your 1974 that's fine. It may be a very solid boat. But the rest is just not accurate. As to water getting into the core or the hull it's generally through deck openings or fittings, window and door seals and frames, deck fitting to hull, but not through fragile fiberglass.
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If you like your 1974 that's fine. It may be a very solid boat. But the rest is just not accurate.
Completely agree!
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The hull structure is more important to me that age and electronic gadgets. While looking for a boat, I look for boat made before 1980. Some models after 1980 to 1984 still have solid hull, but most have cored hull. Newest boats are fragile and little bump can crack the surface fiberglass.
Yeah, those newer boats are weak. One little bump and they are gone. :-)

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With the proliferation of invasive polyester mites it is a wonder any newer weak hulled boats are floating at all.
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With the proliferation of invasive polyester mites it is a wonder any newer weak hulled boats are floating at all.
Wifey B: Are there hypalon mites too that we need to worry about on the RIB?
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Old 04-29-2016, 01:24 PM   #88
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Come on guys, we should not beat up too hard on new TF member nodestination.


He/she must have some experience about why they believe that new boats are poorly built.


nodest - give us an account of your experiences. You're currently undergoing hell-day on TF membership.


Feel free to talk openly - we don't bite too hard at "cool" people. For "uncools"... well, that becomes a whole different ball game!
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This is a pretty classic question and one for which "to each his own" is the most apt answer I suppose.
My perspective: Simply put, quality and simplicity of design and materials are timeless if the caretaker holds up his end of the deal. Care is likely more about discipline than money though plenty of both are involved.
While I do not hold credentials as a long time big boater, I have owned and operated significant fleets of equipment on land and my experience there has been reflected on water so far and is also reflected in my choice of the two large boats I have purchased. Robust quality of build materials and design in the original build stands the test of time and use consistently. I run some very modern, very complex, and very expensive equipment with lots of electronics and no linkages and it is fun to run and impressive when it does. Often, it is not as long on reliability and longevity as some of the late 70s and eighties Caterpillar construction equipment that has logged over 25000 hours in some cases with original frame, block, and much of the auxiliaries.
With the way that the vast majority of us boat, I think there is almost no risk of "using up" a high quality boat if we take decent care of it no matter how old it is. Some of the modern marvels, perhaps not so much in my view. Though I may not feel that good about it, I expect I could "afford" either.

I expect both of the thirty year old boats that I own to outlive what remains of my boating years and though I won't give a care about it when my body temperature makes its final descent, my guess is they will still be worth what they are now if I do my part in the meantime. Some parts of boats are 'consumable'. That is as true of new boats as it is of old boats. The more of this 'stuff' that you have, the more you need to work on or replace. You may get a honeymoon with a new boat but the consumption is still occurring and the hourly or daily cost is the same.
I agree with Mr Klee Wyck's perspective to a complete extent!

Waste cost more than QUALITY!
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Come on guys, we should not beat up too hard on new TF member nodestination.
You are right Art. No disrespect intended NoDestination. Just having some fun.

FWIW, that avatar of mine is actually my boat, but it was the prior owner that found that rock at high tide. Solid fiberglass hull.
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You are right Art. No disrespect intended NoDestination. Just having some fun.

FWIW, that avatar of mine is actually my boat, but it was the prior owner that found that rock at high tide. Solid fiberglass hull.
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Wifey B: Are there hypalon mites too that we need to worry about on the RIB?
if you listen really closely at a quiet anchorage at night you can hear those little buggers getting blown up when they munch tiny holes into the air pocket.




yes no offense meant just a bit of fun.
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if you listen really closely at a quiet anchorage at night you can hear those little buggers getting blown up when they munch tiny holes into the air pocket.




yes no offense meant just a bit of fun.
Wifey B: That's why we don't leave our RIB in the water....
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I NEVER put mine in the water for just that reason! I carry it around for show only!
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Wifey B: Are there hypalon mites too that we need to worry about on the RIB?
Someone on my marina is having their older rib re-tubed,they were told the leaks were not from seams, but the hypalon itself failing. If that`s right, yes.
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:08 PM   #97
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YUP - knew that! What I didn't know was that your boat and the avatar are one in the same... less o' course... you are joshing in a previous post 90.

I at times are pretty gullible...
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YUP - knew that! What I didn't know was that your boat and the avatar are one in the same... less o' course... you are joshing in a previous post 90.

I at times are pretty gullible...
Nope. Actual boat. Showed that picture, along with a few others I found of the boat on the rock to the surveyor at the time of the survey. Wanted to be sure he paid extra careful attention to the hull. He did, inside and out, and could find no evidence of the damage and repair.
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Nope. Actual boat. Showed that picture, along with a few others I found of the boat on the rock to the surveyor at the time of the survey. Wanted to be sure he paid extra careful attention to the hull. He did, inside and out, and could find no evidence of the damage and repair.
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